Statue of Lee to be removed from Va capital.

[The Valkyrie]

Not to minimize the issue, but taking slavery out of the picture, there’s another reason that statues of Lee and other Confederates should not be on public property.

Once the southern states declared themselves in rebellion, they became a foreign country - their own laws, currency, political system and so forth. And they waged war on the United States. Why should they be honoured? How many statues of Hitler do you find along the streets of Warsaw? Or memorials to Mussolini in Addis Ababa? Statues of Stalin in Helsinki are by conspicuous their absence.

Boru

Best I can do is a ceramic skull named "Elvis"...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

On a related note, the US Marine Corps have banned all displays of the Confederate battle flag - including mugs, posters and bumper stickers - , just 155 years after the end of the Civil War. I'm sure their prompt attention to this matter will be greatly appreciated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/ma...g-ban.html

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

On a related note, the US Marine Corps have banned all displays of the Confederate battle flag - including mugs, posters and bumper stickers - , just 155 years after the end of the Civil War. I'm sure their prompt attention to this matter will be greatly appreciated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/ma...g-ban.html

Boru

Still faster than an apology from the Catholic church...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I am not for erasing any part of human history good or bad. But there is a huge difference between a monument of honor vs merely reporting, like a history book or museum. I am glad Richmond Va has finally decided to remove General Lee's Statue from public property. He belongs in a museum or history  book of what not to do to your fellow human being.

Update: a judge has issued a ten day injunction on removing the statue. So, there’s a small chance it may not happen after all.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc12.com/2020/06/08/richmond-circuit-court-judge-issues-day-injunction-removal-lee-monument/%3foutputType=amp



Boru

[Drich]

Statues honoring people who fought to maintain slavery should not stand in public parks ,And no no one needs a statue to remember the civil war,And the soldiers could be honored without glorifying Lee or the Confederacy .

dear dummy when lee took up arms against the union in may of 1861 the worry of slaves being free was not on the agenda. slaves would not be freed till it was clear to lincolon that he was going to loose the war if something was not done. in an effort to open a second 'home front' (with rebelling/free slaves) he threatened Jefferson davis the PoTCS that he had 100 days to sit down and come to terms with the union. because the south was winning they declined and pressed forward. so in dec 1865 the slaves were freed.

If the slaves were the point of the civil war then why weren't they freed in 61? why wait to his second term to free the slaves?

The truth is Lincoln was never an abolitionist. he did nto care for black people and his idea once freeing all slaves was to send them back (which he did by the 10,000s of thousands to Liberia. or colonize them in central and south america. 

The only slavery issue that was in dispute at the start of the war was congress voted on keeping all black slaves east of the Mississippi. which pissed off these super land barons who had holding in the new territories and wanted to use slaves to help tame the west and run cows. across the Mississippi congress demanded all laborers to be paid in order to help alleviate the flood of immigrants coming from Europe.

Know it or not dummy lee represents you douche bags now more than ever, as he was a progressive who felt he voice and the voice of his brothers were not being heard in the senate. let alone in the presidency. they hated beard man as bad as you are told to hate the orange man. taking down the reminders of how your movement (They were democrats with the same socialist based beliefs) is doomed to fail is a mistake because you are not removing a symbol of hate.. but the part you are taking away is the reconciliation. what the left sees as a  'right' when they wander off to exercise their rights to try and start over. we not only help you come back home we forgive and even honor the dead as they too are Americans.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[Brian37]

I am not for erasing any part of human history good or bad. But there is a huge difference between a monument of honor vs merely reporting, like a history book or museum. I am glad Richmond Va has finally decided to remove General Lee's Statue from public property. He belongs in a museum or history  book of what not to do to your fellow human being.

Update: a judge has issued a ten day injunction on removing the statue. So, there’s a small chance it may not happen after all.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc12.com/2020/06/08/richmond-circuit-court-judge-issues-day-injunction-removal-lee-monument/%3foutputType=amp



Boru

Damn, this sucks! They just wont let go. 

What is wrong with people? This should be a no brainer! And they wonder why statues get torn down anyway.

What is that judge thinking?

Just remove the damn thing and put it in a basement archive or museum of what not to do to your fellow human being.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If they put it in a Walmart parking lot it would be perfectly legal.

[Brian37]

Oh dude, I am so glad I wasn't drinking or eating anything when I saw this.

No shit, the South got the "Loser" trophy.

Lady, " What are you wearing Jake from Confederate State Plantation?"

Jake, "Uh, well, a Rebel Flag shirt and MAGA hat."

[The Architect Of Fate]

dear dummy when lee took up arms against the union in may of 1861 the worry of slaves being free was not on the agenda. slaves would not be freed till it was clear to lincolon that he was going to loose the war if something was not done. in an effort to open a second 'home front' (with rebelling/free slaves) he threatened Jefferson davis the PoTCS that he had 100 days to sit down and come to terms with the union. because the south was winning they declined and pressed forward. so in dec 1865 the slaves were freed.

This has nothing to do with my point . Weather the Union were saints is meaningless the Confederates were an horrible regime that don't deserve to be honored 

If the slaves were the point of the civil war then why weren't they freed in 61? why wait to his second term to free the slaves?

The Confederates fought to defend slavery . What the union did is irrelevant 

The truth is Lincoln was never an abolitionist. he did nto care for black people and his idea once freeing all slaves was to send them back (which he did by the 10,000s of thousands to Liberia. or colonize them in central and south america. 

Which is irrelevant  to why the fact the Confederacy should not be honored 

The only slavery issue that was in dispute at the start of the war was congress voted on keeping all black slaves east of the Mississippi. which pissed off these super land barons who had holding in the new territories and wanted to use slaves to help tame the west and run cows. across the Mississippi congress demanded all laborers to be paid in order to help alleviate the flood of immigrants coming from Europe.

This has nothing to do with my point . Weather the Union were saints is meaningless the Confederates were an horrible regime that don't deserve to be honored 

Know it or not dummy lee represents you douche bags now more than ever,

Nope not even 

 as he was a progressive who felt he voice and the voice of his brothers were not being heard in the senate. let alone in the presidency

Nope he was a conservative who felt he voice and the voice of his brothers were not being heard in the senate. let alone in the presidency

 they hated beard man as bad as you are told to hate the orange man

Nope both Lee and Trump are assholes who deserve condemnation 

 taking down the reminders of how your movement (They were democrats with the same socialist based beliefs) is doomed to fail is a mistake because you are not removing a symbol of hate.. 

Nope not my movement nor were they socialist (democrats yes CONSERVATIVE democrats ) and yes it is a symbol of hate 

but the part you are taking away is the reconciliation. what the left sees as a  'right' when they wander off to exercise their rights to try and start over.

Nope were taking away a symbol of hate and you brain dead alternate history is just that

 we not only help you come back home we forgive and even honor the dead as they too are Americans.

There is no US you deluded idiot . THE CONFEDERATES WERE ON YOU SIDE NOT OURS . DEMOCRATES WERE CONSERVATIVES NOT LEFTISTS and no amount of revisionist history will change that .