how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?

[Drich]

This was the straw that broke the camels back after centuries of systemic abuses by the police and right leaning government. This is about the fact that black people risk death every time they go out in the US, not from criminals, but from the police.
In England we are well aware of this. The US's racism is one of your nations defining features, along with obesity, evil evangelicalism and not knowing anything about the wider world.

but that is a bull shit narrative. the "dims' use to incite the riots and dumb white collage kids who rather seek contentment and righteousness from god feel like they have to show the world how righteous they are by shitting on established soceity. honestly even most black people know this is a bull shit narrative. it seems only the people who are 100% dependent on the news think this way.

in 2019 there wee only 10 cases where black men were shot by the police.
in 5 out of those 10 an officer was attacked moments before the shooting.
and out of the remaining cases 2 officers were changed which even then does not mean guilt.

in the same year there were 25 white Americans fatally shot by the police.

even those blacks represent 13% of the population according FBI stats the commit 53% of all violent crime. this in of itself put black men in the way of police at a far greater ratio than whites. black also kill 10xs more whites than whites kill blacks. and a police officer is 18xs more likly to be killed by a black male than a white. 

If these number were that far off, tell me would you rather be dumped in the middle of average black neighborhood in Detroit after dark, or the average white neighborhood at the same time in the same city. If all thing were equal and whites and black committed the same crime and black people are being picked on like you say.. then it should not matter which neighborhood you were in.

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The longer this all plays out the more it seems floyd was just the spark. because seriously everyone agrees the cop should be prosecuted for murder. So if everyone is on the same page to whom is this civil unrest helping? To me this just seems like a generation or two who has never been told no/doesn't know how to live and loose/how to live when they don't get what they want now. it's like we have a generation of spoiled brats who were not properly disciplined, and who have no respect for authority. Look at Chaz.. look at their list of demands. none of it helps Floyd none of it helps the people who have died in these riots nor the people who have lost everything. This seems more like an anti government/trump cue attempt than anything else. Seriously they tried to get him with Russia collusion, we now finding out it was all fabricated by the 'swamp' he is trying to drain, they try to get him with scandals, we found out they were out right lying. they try to get him with impeachment and fail over and over and over again.. they can't get what they want now they are throwing a temper tantrum. 

If you look at the 60s and the baby boomers they too were generation who were not disciplined in masse because alot of the returning vets sought to spoil their children because of the war and most of them grew up during the great depression with nothing. from that spawned a generation of worthless hippies. now we seeming have another generation of worthless people who destroy and break things and disrupt
 lives when they don't get their way. Thoughts?

Wow, you are so behind the curve. An Asshole named James Earl Ray started the spark.  The fact morons like you haven't caught up is irrelevant 

OF FUCKING COURSE FLOYD WAS  A SPARK! But he was not the first spark. Maybe white ignorance is the culprit?

again not white was reminded of that every day of my life for like the first 20 years or so. 2 when did the spark start? under Obama? then why id this the first major race riots we had under trump?

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When this is all over, no one will admit to having ever supported it.

A year from now, we'll be treated to Driches neverending list of complaints about white supremacy, and the many failures of trumpism.

just like the last 4 years huh..

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes Drich, just like that - because that's what people do when they support the indefensible. Way to whip out your own dick and stomp on it for spite.

[Drich]

The longer this all plays out the more it seems floyd was just the spark. because seriously everyone agrees the cop should be prosecuted for murder. So if everyone is on the same page to whom is this civil unrest helping? To me this just seems like a generation or two who has never been told no/doesn't know how to live and loose/how to live when they don't get what they want now. it's like we have a generation of spoiled brats who were not properly disciplined, and who have no respect for authority. Look at Chaz.. look at their list of demands. none of it helps Floyd none of it helps the people who have died in these riots nor the people who have lost everything. This seems more like an anti government/trump cue attempt than anything else. Seriously they tried to get him with Russia collusion, we now finding out it was all fabricated by the 'swamp' he is trying to drain, they try to get him with scandals, we found out they were out right lying. they try to get him with impeachment and fail over and over and over again.. they can't get what they want now they are throwing a temper tantrum. 

If you look at the 60s and the baby boomers they too were generation who were not disciplined in masse because alot of the returning vets sought to spoil their children because of the war and most of them grew up during the great depression with nothing. from that spawned a generation of worthless hippies. now we seeming have another generation of worthless people who destroy and break things and disrupt
 lives when they don't get their way. Thoughts?

So...you’re blaming black people who are speaking out against brutality for being brutalized in the first place?

Never met anyone with such a tin ear about racism.

Boru

that what i am saying smart guy.. this isn't about racism if everyone is on the same page that floyd life was taken by a cop in a very wrong way. I'm am saying this is just another effort to topple trump presidency./limit his term.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and so you'll oppose it, because he's your man - even if deep down you know that the other guy is right.

That's how people like you are broken. When the koolaid gets passed around, what are the odds on you drinking it?

[Rev. Rye]

Your numbers for people shot by police are remarkably small. The Washington Post lists 250 black people shot And killed by police in 2019. Unfortunately, there’s no divider for victims who allegedly attacked the officers before dying, but their names and sources are in the database and if you want to trawl all 250 cases and see which ones were allegedly attacked, be my guest.

And you’re still not getting the whole “per capita” thing. Well, I guess there’s one stereotype the half-Korean drich is bucking: he doesn’t understand basic arithmetic.

Also, we acknowledge that Black people commit more crime than White people. We just try and figure out why in ways that don’t just write off an entire ethnicity as being criminal. And don’t think that being half-Korean means you’re not falling into the same exact traps as Edward Norton’s character is in this scene:

[Nay_Sayer]

Stop.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's chinese people. Koreans are stereotypically dense. Cowering simpletons in love with even the thinnest veneer of authority, as their imperial overlords would have it.

[Drich]

It was never just about Floyd. It's about the fact that every year, hundreds of black people die in circumstances similar to Floyd, maybe not by a publicly-filmed 8-minute, 46-second knee choke, but still dead at the hands of police for reasons that are often trivial (note: while overall, white people may make up the absolute majority of those killed by cops, the fact remains that black people are still killed at a higher rate than white people, about 6.6 per million vs 2.5 per million; scroll down on the Mapping Police Violence to see the statistics), and, on an even broader scope, the racist society that helps foster the problem. And here's a sort of primer into the phoenomenon of systemic racism in America:




And here's a video by Three Arrows that goes into more detail, debunking many of Ben Shapiro's arguments against the existence of systemic racism:




You can argue about exceptions, even from your own experience, but bear in mind: A) The occasional exception doesn't undermine the concept as a whole, and B) the challenges of being half-Korean aren't the same as the challenges of being black.

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Seriously, thinking it was ever just about Floyd would require you living under a rock since at least Obama’s second term, and is as absurd as thinking the French Revolution was about some guy in the court of Louis XVI losing his keys.

the facts on the videos were true at one time no problems or issues with that. but this is not 1970 anymore. Schools don't work that way yes they are funded of of property tax but all property tax get put into a big fund and the schools are issued funds depending on volume of students now. not white or black. plus the only 'red lining being does it to segregate those in government housing from those who own their own homes. (you can not get  loan against a home the government owns. work in the inner city I also know that money is looked at very differently while one can argue most whites are taught to save and invest most black people feel like they have to maintain an image. Most black people do not know how to be poor and pull themselves out. as far as getting jobs there are mandated numbers the demand the hiring of minorities, plus subsidies and tax breaks. that is stupid point to make if both are qualified. even with owning home as a white person i would not have been able to qualify for my HUD loan but as a minority the the expectation of credit score was lower and i got a super rate where as if i were white with that score i would not have qualified. (which is why the mortgage is in my name and not my wife and i's name as she being white would disqualify us for the loan.) not to mention the different loans and subsidies being a minority business owner. if you are white you are on your own. I have never cashed in on this but i have several thousand dollars in grant money and loan opportunities at like a government mandated 1%. I could have also attended collage as a Korean even though i could not read and my grades were shite and my sat's were shite. again i refused to bump someone who was legitly qualified when i wasnt.

The nail in the coffin for systemic racism is why do all other minorities even 1 gen off the boat Africans do so well in this country when black Americans born here dont? for instance Nigerian people who immigrate here are THE most successful immigrant group of people int he world. why? because they qualify for all of the different funding programs grants and BS we set up for Black Americans. but they work like hell and save and spend their money responsibly. If systemic racism against "African Americans' by whites was legit then the Nigerians would be feeling the pain as well... but the don't in fact they uses the system that is meant to give black Americans so much of a head start for themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Americans
https://www.ozy.com/around-the-world/the...you/86885/
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articl...n-the-u-s-

Again the take away here is if racism was systemic targeting black people then 1 gen blacks from Africa would also be a target. clearly this is not the case. culture, family values, being the missing elements.

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I will support any actions which will stabilize the bell curve and bring prosperity back to the middle class.
At the moment 40% of Americans don't have $400 for an emergency.

What went wrong? It's never been this bad. The riots were for George, but it has now snowballed to reveal a plethora of other gross injustices to the way of life for Mr average.
Mr average IS the backbone of every country. A major overhaul on a global scale is overdue. Greed and corruption is always the reason. Who's been there from the start?
Bankers. Now morphed into a legitimate sounding entity like The Federal Reserve Bank of America. They're not federal, they don't have any reserves and they don't represent the wellbeing of Americans.

Don't take the word of an ignoramus.

this is all crap too. under trump the numbers for the poor and impoverished were never so high unemployment never so low, and the standard of living was going up. poor people were getting raises. you guys are just parroting fake news.

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The longer this all plays out the more it seems floyd was just the spark. because seriously everyone agrees the cop should be prosecuted for murder. So if everyone is on the same page to whom is this civil unrest helping?

They will get off or at best get a nominal sentence. This has all happened before and will likely happen again. The civil unrest is a statement that this will not be tolerated yet again.

Who does it benefit? Every person of colour who survives because some rambo cop thinks twice in the future before murdering them in cold blood.

don't googled besides floyd and mr drunk at the wendys to whom do you speak? what is the man of color's name?

[Rev. Rye]

Why do first generation Nigerian-Americans do better than our African-Americans? Because the standards for Nigerians to emigrate to America are a Hell of a lot higher than the standards for African-Americans to be born here. For an immigrant to stay in his new country, he has to be vetted. For a baby to be born in a country, all that has to happen is a sperm uniting with an egg and the mother's body keeping it alive for nine months. We've been over this. Less than two weeks ago.

[Drich]

The longer this all plays out the more it seems floyd was just the spark. because seriously everyone agrees the cop should be prosecuted for murder. So if everyone is on the same page to whom is this civil unrest helping?

They will get off or at best get a nominal sentence. This has all happened before and will likely happen again. The civil unrest is a statement that this will not be tolerated yet again.

Who does it benefit? Every person of colour who survives because some rambo cop thinks twice in the future before murdering them in cold blood.

it's happened in the past under racists presidents who's parties systemically hold black people down\

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I can't even begin to express how stupid this thread is and how frustrated it makes me.