That Gay Thread

[Rev. Rye]

Because that would completely negate the arguments against dave. It's a good thing breathing is involuntary because I fear you would have suffocated long ago.

Also you're wrong about everything else, I have proof.

What's the arguments against Dave? He's not allowed to freely express his opinions?

The argument against Dave overall is that he made a standup special that's filled with statements against trans people (a minority of people that has to keep putting up with a lot of oppression, including bills that specifically target them for doing something as simple as using their preferred restroom) that are not only offensive, they're often just plain incorrect*. And, because of this, many believe Netflix should remove it. He may have the right to express his opinions, but that doesn't mean a particular platform has to put up with them. You want more specifics, Jessie Gender has a good overview, and even does a good job of putting his bullshit into perspective.





* The claim that trans folk are somehow analogous to blackface strikes me as a particularly blatant example. Hey, gang, why is blackface considered offensive? If you answer "because it's been so thoroughly linked with portrayals of black people that mock and dehumanise them that it's more or less irredeemable," you'd be correct. If someone assigned male at birth becomes transgender, well, they're not doing it to mock women. They're not part of a tradition that dehumanise women. Frankly, they are women. And even if you don't co-sign with that view, they still believe themselves in their heart of hearts to be women. The closest comparison possible between the two concepts would be a hypothetical version of Black Like Me where John Howard Griffin takes his six-week experiment of living as a black person in the Jim Crow South to understand racism firsthand and, instead of just stopping his Methoxsalen intake and retreating to a motel room for several days, he decided to keep living as a black person for the rest of his life, with an extra helping of scorn because he was born white and became black.

[The Architect Of Fate]

What's the arguments against Dave? He's not allowed to freely express his opinions?

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Here's the thing, this person organized the walkout at netflix, don't think that's hypocritical? Do YOU think Dave shouldn't be allowed to express his point of view?

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You may not know her by name, but if you'd been paying attention to Dave Chappele and the debacle at Netflix, you'd of heard of her handiwork.

You're wrong.

(Someone requote this) Huggy is a coward who blocked me.

His points are also braindead no one defending the stuff Ashlee Marie Preston said almost a decade ago (to which she already apologized ) It has nothing to do with what Dave is currently doing and is totally unapologetic about having done. These two things are not the same. 

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What's the arguments against Dave? He's not allowed to freely express his opinions?

The argument against Dave overall is that he made a standup special that's filled with statements against trans people (a minority of people that has to keep putting up with a lot of oppression, including bills that specifically target them for doing something as simple as using their preferred restroom) that are not only offensive, they're often just plain incorrect*. And, because of this, many believe Netflix should remove it. He may have the right to express his opinions, but that doesn't mean a particular platform has to put up with them. You want more specifics, Jessie Gender has a good overview, and even does a good job of putting his bullshit into perspective.





* The claim that trans folk are somehow analogous to blackface strikes me as a particularly blatant example. Hey, gang, why is blackface considered offensive? If you answer "because it's been so thoroughly linked with portrayals of black people that mock and dehumanise them that it's more or less irredeemable," you'd be correct. If someone assigned male at birth becomes transgender, well, they're not doing it to mock women. They're not part of a tradition that dehumanise women. Frankly, they are women. And even if you don't co-sign with that view, they still believe themselves in their heart of hearts to be women. The closest comparison possible between the two concepts would be a hypothetical version of Black Like Me where John Howard Griffin takes his six-week experiment of living as a black person in the Jim Crow South to understand racism firsthand and, instead of just stopping his Methoxsalen intake and retreating to a motel room for several days, he decided to keep living as a black person for the rest of his life,  with an extra helping of scorn because he was born white and became black.

Indeed free speech doesn't entitle you to a privately owned platform. Also, I find it ironic he's whining about Dave's free speech when he seems to have an issue with the employees of Netflix using their free speech to protest Dave's Transphobia.

[The Grand Nudger]

Interesting,  all this smoke for Dave Chappelle,  yet when the person trying to cancel Dave gets exposed,  you all quiet as church mice.

I think that you imagining a hive mind on this one has more to do with needing something to bitch about than the facts in mere reality.  As a cursory glance through....this thread...might have made clear to any normal person.

Anywho, was the lady in the video part of white supremacy's plot to have big gay buy out the medical establishment in order to black genocide you by destigmatizing homosexuality and transgenderism?

[Huggy Bear]

What's the arguments against Dave? He's not allowed to freely express his opinions?

The argument against Dave overall is that he made a standup special that's filled with statements against trans people (a minority of people that has to keep putting up with a lot of oppression, including bills that specifically target them for doing something as simple as using their preferred restroom) that are not only offensive, they're often just plain incorrect*.

Here's the thing. Dave has made jokes about Jews, he also made Asian jokes, both of which, you could make a case for having a history of oppression. So are you saying that trans people are a special group than no one can joke about or criticize?

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As far as restrooms go...
Loudoun County ‘boy in a skirt’ found GUILTY of girls’ bathroom sex assault as school boards’ actions trigger walkouts

The 'gender-fluid' student who assaulted a teen in the girls' bathroom at a Virginia high school has been found guilty of the assault. Parents, whom the school told there was no incident, are demanding apologies from the district.

Juvenile Court judge Pamela Brooks on Monday found the "boy in a skirt" – whose name has not been released as he is under 18 – guilty of forcible sodomy and forcible fellatio in relation to the assault on a teenage girl at Stone Bridge High School in May. He will be back in court for sentencing in November.

And, because of this, many believe Netflix should remove it. He may have the right to express his opinions, but that doesn't mean a particular platform has to put up with them. You want more specifics, Jessie Gender has a good overview, and even does a good job of putting his bullshit into perspective.

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Not only did the platform put up with Dave's opinion, they supported it. What do you mean by "many"? We redefining another word? The reviews of Dave's special are overwhelmingly positive, damn near 100%.




If his employer supports him, and the majority of people support him, yet you still want him silenced, were not really talking about freedom of speech anymore are we?

* The claim that trans folk are somehow analogous to blackface strikes me as a particularly blatant example. Hey, gang, why is blackface considered offensive? If you answer "because it's been so thoroughly linked with portrayals of black people that mock and dehumanise them that it's more or less irredeemable," you'd be correct. If someone assigned male at birth becomes transgender, well, they're not doing it to mock women. They're not part of a tradition that dehumanise women. Frankly, they are women. And even if you don't co-sign with that view, they still believe themselves in their heart of hearts to be women. The closest comparison possible between the two concepts would be a hypothetical version of Black Like Me where John Howard Griffin takes his six-week experiment of living as a black person in the Jim Crow South to understand racism firsthand and, instead of just stopping his Methoxsalen intake and retreating to a motel room for several days, he decided to keep living as a black person for the rest of his life,  with an extra helping of scorn because he was born white and became black.

Dave wasn't saying that trans folk were analogous to black folk, he said the way TERF women feel about trans is similar to how a black person would feel about blackface.
Imagine being a female athlete training your whole life as a female, when a former male athlete who trained his whole life as a male, then transitions as an adult, and starts smashing all the previous records set by biological females while everybody else pretends to not know whats going on.

Don't think biological women have a right to feel some type of way?

[Rev. Rye]

1) Maybe if the jokes were actually funny. Or even jokes, for that matter.
2) So, this means people shouldn't be allowed to go to the restroom that fits their gender identity? It's not like these laws are opening up a loophole. Assault is still legal and no judge or law enforcement officer is going to say "Oh, you say you belong in this restroom? Then carry on with your assault." The fact that I can count the number of verified cases of people invading women's spaces, assaulting them, and claiming to be trans on one hand doesn't help matters.
3) By "many," I mean enough people to start up a controversy that kept it from just being random comedy special on Netflix. And I didn't even say I wanted him silenced in that thread. Jessie Gender's video raised enough good points to make me think it should at least stay on the platform, and even before that, I pointed out that he could easily just release it himself if Netflix pulls it (Louis CK has done so multiple times, to great success).
4) He mentioned the analogy in a context that indicates he agrees with it. And also, funny thing about trans athletes: they're allowed to compete not merely out of some attack of human decency, but because it turns out that once you go on hormones (especially if you do so for long enough), the physical advantages of being assigned male at birth end up getting neutralised by the effects of testosterone blockers and estrogen. When going on hormones causes a competitive runner to instantly go from 9.5-minute miles to 11-minute miles, that's something to take note of

[The Grand Nudger]

Not only did the platform put up with Dave's opinion, they supported it. What do you mean by "many"? We redefining another word? The reviews of Dave's special are overwhelmingly positive, damn near 100%.

Yeah, he's good at his job.  Always has been.  Getting good reviews and stirring culture war shit were both a given.

If his employer supports him, and the majority of people support him, yet you still want him silenced, were not really talking about freedom of speech anymore are we?

Doesn't seem like the government is taking any steps to silence Dave.  You chasing the white supremacists down the frozen peach rabbit hole, Huggy?  

Dave wasn't saying that trans folk were analogous to black folk, he said the way TERF women feel about trans is similar to how a black person would feel about blackface.
Imagine being a female athlete training your whole life as a female, when a former male athlete who trained his whole life as a male, then transitions as an adult, and starts smashing all the previous records set by biological females while everybody else pretends to not know whats going on.

Don't think biological women have a right to feel some type of way?

Sure do, and, like any human being, the way we feel about a thing can be severely misinformed.  Don't you think?  You must, right, since you think that the people in this thread feel a certain way about this because they are misinformed.  By big gay, at the behest of white supremacy, to black genocide you.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Not only did the platform put up with Dave's opinion, they supported it. What do you mean by "many"? We redefining another word? The reviews of Dave's special are overwhelmingly positive, damn near 100%.

Popularity is irrelevant 

 his employer supports him, and the majority of people support him, yet you still want him silenced, were not really talking about freedom of speech anymore are we?

Nope unless the government comes and takes him away this is not an issue of freedom of speech. Employer support and popularity are irrelevant.

Dave wasn't saying that trans folk were analogous to black folk, he said the way TERF women feel about trans is similar to how a black person would feel about blackface.
Imagine being a female athlete training your whole life as a female, when a former male athlete who trained his whole life as a male, then transitions as an adult, and starts smashing all the previous records set by biological females while everybody else pretends to not know whats going on.

Don't think biological women have a right to feel some type of way?

That's dumbest comparison ever 

[Huggy Bear]

1) Maybe if the jokes were actually funny. Or even jokes, for that matter.

It's almost as if jokes are subjective... As I pointed out, the overwhelming majority enjoyed the special.

2) So, this means people shouldn't be allowed to go to the restroom that fits their gender identity? It's not like these laws are opening up a loophole. Assault is still legal and no judge or law enforcement officer is going to say "Oh, you say you belong in this restroom? Then carry on with your assault." The fact that I can count the number of verified cases of people invading women's spaces, assaulting them, and claiming to be trans on one hand doesn't help matters.

It's also illegal to hijack a plane, but we don't sit around and wait till it happens, we take preventive measures to ensure peoples safety.

3) By "many," I mean enough people to start up a controversy that kept it from just being random comedy special on Netflix. And I didn't even say I wanted him silenced in that thread. Jessie Gender's video raised enough good points to make me think it should at least stay on the platform, and even before that, I pointed out that he could easily just release it himself if Netflix pulls it (Louis CK has done so multiple times, to great success).

If it was a significant enough of a number, wouldn't we see that reflected in the reviews? Like instead of a 95% rating, more of a 70% rating?

4) He mentioned the analogy in a context that indicates he agrees with it. And also, funny thing about trans athletes: they're allowed to compete not merely out of some attack of human decency, but because it turns out that once you go on hormones (especially if you do so for long enough), the physical advantages of being assigned male at birth end up getting neutralised by the effects of testosterone blockers and estrogen. When going on hormones causes a competitive runner to instantly go from 9.5-minute miles to 11-minute miles, that's something to take note of

That's not really anything to take note of, a 9.5 minute mile is slow as hell, for ANYBODY, especially an athlete, are they testing asthma patients? In the army I was running TWO miles in under 12 minutes, and I seen guys do it in under 9, and were not talking professional athletes.

Why are the most out of shape people always used to try and prove transgenders have no advantage?

[brewer]

I keep checking in to see if the gayness fun has returned.

Nope, not yet.

[no one]

The gayness was sucked right out.