That Gay Thread

[arewethereyet]

Still TLDR.

[Rev. Rye]

So much to unpack here:

• "It's Okay to Be White," a harmless message in and of itself, but you are aware that the meme in its current form originated on 4chan's /pol/, right?
  
• "White Lives Matter," is anyone in power saying they don't? Do police have a history of violence that disproportionately effects white people? If not, then it's just a false equivalence. I mean, sure, white people have been killed by the cops for bullshit reasons, but the broader picture shows that non-whites tend to bear a disproportionate share of the state's violence.
  
• I hope the P in LGBTQP is something innocuous like "pansexual," and not "pedophile."
  
• The origin of the term "gay pride" is shrouded in mystery. I mean, we know it was originated by Brenda Howard shortly after the Stonewall Riots, but why she chose it seems to be a riddle for the ages. Though given the era, and that, by the time of the first Gay Pride march in June 1970, exactly one of the 50 states even allowed gay people to have sex without risking prison time, and even then, it was still looked down on, and that this song hit it big a few years prior, I'd be surprised if Howard didn't see similarities between the black experiences and the gay experience:
  
  
  And as long as there's still forces that make LGBTQ lives miserable, there will always be a need for gay pride.
• While I applaud that you have just enough sense to realise that discrimination against white people mainly exists online, you somehow failed to put into perspective how miniscule its impact in the real world is. If someone says "you're white, therefore you don't get to have an opinion," then fuck them. They're jackasses. Though if you're saying your own opinion is invalid because you're building it from a limited perspective that doesn't even take into account their grievances, which I've seen you doing multiple times, then it makes more sense. For instance, if your objection to reparations is that it's not fair that black people get things that white people don't, then it makes sense that they dismiss your opinion as that of a privileged white person. If they react the same when you point out that giving every black person a check for a couple hundred thousand dollars is simultaneously enough to bankrupt the world economy, but nowhere near enough to rectify the effects of systemic racism, and that the better thing to do would be to create a shitton of government programs to help the black community on a level that nobody's seen on a level that nobody's seen in centuries, that's when your reaction gets more understandable. ]
  
• "Trans Women are women" is an incomplete argument in itself, that I agree with you (and Contra went into detail about the limitations of the phrase 28 minutes into her video on J.K. Rowling), within or without the issue of sports. After all, Lance Armstrong is a Man, and if that was all there was to it, he'd still have six Tour de France victories. That said, there's been quite a bit of research into whether or not trans women have an unfair advantage over cis women, and the research suggests it has less of an impact than one might suspect, especially if one takes their estrogen. That shit will take enough of a toll on muscle mass, strength, and performance to cancel out much of their inborn advantages, though this will be even more efficient if said trans person started transitioning before they hit puberty.
  
• Some people may have extremely high standards, but that's no excuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
  

[Angrboda]

The reason your opinion counts for less is because it's clear to all and sundry that you have shit for brains.  It's a self-inflicted wound.

[Irreligious Atheist]

So much to unpack here:

• "It's Okay to Be White," a harmless message in and of itself, but you are aware that the meme in its current form originated on 4chan's /pol/, right?
  
• "White Lives Matter," is anyone in power saying they don't? Do police have a history of violence that disproportionately effects white people? If not, then it's just a false equivalence. I mean, sure, white people have been killed by the cops for bullshit reasons, but the broader picture shows that non-whites tend to bear a disproportionate share of the state's violence.
  
• I hope the P in LGBTQP is something innocuous like "pansexual," and not "pedophile."
  
• The origin of the term "gay pride" is shrouded in mystery. I mean, we know it was originated by Brenda Howard shortly after the Stonewall Riots, but why she chose it seems to be a riddle for the ages. Though given the era, and that, by the time of the first Gay Pride march in June 1970, exactly one of the 50 states even allowed gay people to have sex without risking prison time, and even then, it was still looked down on, and that this song hit it big a few years prior, I'd be surprised if Howard didn't see similarities between the black experiences and the gay experience:
  
  
  And as long as there's still forces that make LGBTQ lives miserable, there will always be a need for gay pride.
  
• While I applaud that you have just enough sense to realise that discrimination against white people mainly exists online, you somehow failed to put into perspective how miniscule its impact in the real world is. If someone says "you're white, therefore you don't get to have an opinion," then fuck them. They're jackasses. Though if you're saying your own opinion is invalid because you're building it from a limited perspective that doesn't even take into account their grievances, which I've seen you doing multiple times, then it makes more sense. For instance, if your objection to reparations is that it's not fair that black people get things that white people don't, then it makes sense that they dismiss your opinion as that of a privileged white person. If they react the same when you point out that giving every black person a check for a couple hundred thousand dollars is simultaneously enough to bankrupt the world economy, but nowhere near enough to rectify the effects of systemic racism, and that the better thing to do would be to create a shitton of government programs to help the black community on a level that nobody's seen on a level that nobody's seen in centuries, that's when your reaction gets more understandable. ]
  
• "Trans Women are women" is an incomplete argument in itself, that I agree with you (and Contra went into detail about the limitations of the phrase 28 minutes into her video on J.K. Rowling), within or without the issue of sports. After all, Lance Armstrong is a Man, and if that was all there was to it, he'd still have six Tour de France victories. That said, there's been quite a bit of research into whether or not trans women have an unfair advantage over cis women, and the research suggests it has less of an impact than one might suspect, especially if one takes their estrogen. That shit will take enough of a toll on muscle mass, strength, and performance to cancel out much of their inborn advantages, though this will be even more efficient if said trans person started transitioning before they hit puberty.
  
• Some people may have extremely high standards, but that's no excuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
  

Not sure I care if something came from 4chan. I don't go on 4chan and don't know much about it. Madalyn Murray O'Hair was a cunt too, but that never stopped me from supporting the message of the American  Atheists organization. It's ok to be white is fantastic because only someone pretty far gone would disagree with such a mild message, which is why it's such a great test for the woke, and this was the intention of the campaign if I recall correctly.

It's irrelevant whether white people are being mowed down, but yes, whites are killed at about the same rate by the police, per encounter. It's just that blacks have a lot more encounters with the police. Are Asians being mowed down by the police? No? They're being mowed down even less than whites are by police. But we still rep the plight of the Asians, and rightfully so, even though it's mostly mentally ill or poor blacks with no systemic power attacking the Asians in the streets. But yeah, I'm glad we can at least agree that it's wrong for other trans people or people in the gay community to tell a white trans person like Keffals to check their privilege when they are suffering trauma from having a gun pointed at them by the police. When a trans person is suffering real trauma, that is no time for other trans people to start piling on and playing oppression olympics. We need to just respect the trauma.

Yes, P stands for pansexual, but I suppose one can be both a pansexual and a pedo, just like many Catholic Priests are both gay and pedo. And this is not me saying I want pedos in the gay community. They are just a part of the gay community, by definition, if they are not straight. I mean, when OJ Simpson committed murder, he wasn't kicked out the black community and he will always remain black despite what he did. The same applies for pedos in the gay community I think. It's only the straight pedos that are on the outside, looking in, wanting to become a part of the klan, and I am opposed to letting the straight pedos into the club, because the gay movement doesn't need that heat ATM. And I suppose it should also be pointed out that pedophile can mean non-offending. Pedophilic disorder is the actual condition that causes offenders to act out, which is a disorder that is technically different from simply being an inactive, never active, etc. pedophile.

Yeah, good call on the James Brown song. That explanation actually makes more sense than mine, I think.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yadda Yadda White victimhood 

Yadda Yadda  Gay IDPOL 

Yadda Yadda Tah Evil SJW's 

Predictable.....

[Irreligious Atheist]

Yadda Yadda White victimhood 

Yadda Yadda  Gay IDPOL 

Yadda Yadda Tah Evil SJW's 

Predictable.....

Yes, I stand up for a trans woman suffering trauma after having a gun pointed at her by police, who is being shit on by her own community because she doesn't check off enough oppression boxes, and that's me playing white victim on her behalf. You're right. What was I thinking? Fuck that trans cracker and fuck her trauma. She needs to shut her pie hole.

Better?

[The Architect Of Fate]

[Irreligious Atheist]

You claim Vaush is your favourite political youtuber, and he calls out the crazies on the supposed left all of the time. Funny how you give him a pass for doing what I am doing.

[The Architect Of Fate]

[Silver]

If your information is coming from a youtuber, chances are you're not very bright.