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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 8:31 am
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Seems so sockish but to my knowledge the only prohibition for alcohol is getting drunk.
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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 8:37 am
(July 30, 2020 at 8:02 am)Eleven Wrote: (July 30, 2020 at 8:01 am)brewer Wrote: Don't care what you call it, when it is claimed to be important, he drank magic.
Is there such a thing as magic to drink?
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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 1:42 pm
(July 30, 2020 at 8:31 am)tackattack Wrote: Seems so sockish but to my knowledge the only prohibition for alcohol is getting drunk.
water was dangerous back then, most people drank some kind of alcohol.
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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 2:02 pm
(July 30, 2020 at 8:31 am)tackattack Wrote: Seems so sockish but to my knowledge the only prohibition for alcohol is getting drunk.
Noah and Lot did. God had no problem with it.
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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 2:20 pm
(July 30, 2020 at 8:31 am)tackattack Wrote: Seems so sockish but to my knowledge the only prohibition for alcohol is getting drunk.
There’s at least one prohibition in Leviticus that commands people not to drink wine before going into the tabernacle. Nothing about getting drunk, just not drinking, full stop.
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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 4:14 pm
In any way, it seems that by the time of "John" Christians needed to draw some of that pagan crowd, so they invented a story where Jesus imitates an annual miracle performed by the priests of Dionysus at Sidon and Eleia and other cult centers.
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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 5:05 pm
(July 30, 2020 at 7:17 am)Dundee Wrote: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
What do you think?
I ask this question because there are some Christian sects that do not allow their members to drink wine - or any alcohol.
Is like asking " Did Yoda Drink Sprite or Yoohoo?".
What did Spider Man or Batman drink?
What did Apollo or Poseidon drink?
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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 5:29 pm
(July 30, 2020 at 5:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (July 30, 2020 at 7:17 am)Dundee Wrote: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
What do you think?
I ask this question because there are some Christian sects that do not allow their members to drink wine - or any alcohol.
Is like asking " Did Yoda Drink Sprite or Yoohoo?".
What did Spider Man or Batman drink?
What did Apollo or Poseidon drink? It is not like asking those questions. The point Dundee is making is that some religious sects prohibit drinking alcohol...was that directive from God or Jesus? Did Jesus drink wine but forbid others from drinking.
Yoda and the others you name aren't the leaders of sects that allow or prohibit followers from eating or drinking certain things.
Your point, I assume, is that they are all fictional. But you are, as is typical, off on a tangent using comparisons that don't fit.
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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 5:30 pm
(July 30, 2020 at 5:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (July 30, 2020 at 7:17 am)Dundee Wrote: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
What do you think?
I ask this question because there are some Christian sects that do not allow their members to drink wine - or any alcohol.
Is like asking " Did Yoda Drink Sprite or Yoohoo?".
What did Spider Man or Batman drink?
What did Apollo or Poseidon drink?
Yoda is a tea drinker.
Peter Parker’s favourite drink is hot chocolate.
Batman prefers ginger ale to any other drink.
Apollo and Poseidon drank ambrosia.
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RE: Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
July 30, 2020 at 5:45 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2020 at 5:45 pm by Rev. Rye.)
One thing to note is that of the major world religions, Judaism and Christianity (at least until the 19th century) were the two kindest to consumption of alcohol. In Christianity, it's largely been used in moderation, either in Communion or for everyday life (in no small part because the water wasn't always safe, to the point where, by the 18th century, many believed that water was bad for your health). In Judaism, there's actually an commandment for Purim that one should drink "until one cannot tell 'blessed be Mordecai' from 'cursed be Haman.'" I strongly suspect that it's unlikely that they'd drink non-alcoholic grape juice.
And then, after looking at the religious nuances of alcohol, I figured out "Oh, I could have looked up the history of non-alcoholic grape juice and saved myself some trouble." So, I did. And it turns out that non-alcoholic grape juice was only made a viable drink in 1869 after Thomas Branwell Welch discovered a means of pasteurising grapes to make sure they don't ferment and turn into wine. Since 1869 was long before the time of Christ, therefore, it's virtually impossible for the Jews to have been huge consumers of non-alcoholic grape juice, unless they were really into wasting good grapes.
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