Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?

[Drich]

Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?

What do you think?

I ask this question because there are some Christian  sects that do not allow their members  to drink wine - or any alcohol.

there are two words in the koine greek. where ever the phrase 'fruit of the vine' or 'new wine' is used it means 'grape juice.' (new wine grape juice exposed to yeast) and where the bible says wine it means alcoholic wine.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Hullo, Drich.  Horrid to have you back.

Boru

[brewer]

jesus schemus, I want to know what Elvis drank. At least everyone knows that he was the king.

[Rev. Rye]

Did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?

What do you think?

I ask this question because there are some Christian  sects that do not allow their members  to drink wine - or any alcohol.

there are two words in the koine greek. where ever the phrase 'fruit of the vine' or 'new wine' is used it means 'grape juice.' (new wine grape juice exposed to yeast) and where the bible says wine it means alcoholic wine.

So, I decided to try and test that claim. Looking through Strong's Concordance, I found exactly three Greek nouns translated as "wine" that appear in the New Testament.

• Oinos, which means wine. It is used 34 times. Pretty straightforward.
  
• Oxos, which means vinegar, but is actually commonly believed to be an imperfect Greek translation of a drink called Posca, (this is actually a common mistranslation used by Plutarch as well as the Gospel writers because Greek lacked a word for the drink) which is basically a mix of vinegar, water, and maybe some herbs. Used six times.
  
• Gleukos, which is translated as "new wine." This appears exactly once, and in a context that severely undermines Drich's exegesis. It happens in Acts 2:13, a reaction to the apostles speaking in all the different languagaes of the world, and while some looked on in amazement and perplexity, (and I'm using the Amplified Bible for this) " But others were laughing and joking and ridiculing them, saying, “They are full of sweet wine and are drunk!” Many translations don't add "and are drunk," but the context remains clear: they think the Apostles are drunk when they speak all these foreign languages.
  

And then you mentioned "fruit of the vine." I found nine verses in the New Testament that used both those words, and in only three of them does it seem to refer to a drink: Matthew 26:29, Mark 14:25, and Luke 22:18, each time said by Jesus during the Last Supper after the disciples had all "drunk his blood," saying that he would not drink the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God came and he drank it with the disciples again. And since it's pretty explicitly described in each account as a feast for the first day of passover (read: the Seder), and one of the rituals of the Seder involves drinking four cups' worth of wine (which most branches of Judaism TO THIS DAY explicitly state must be alcoholic except when the drinker is either a child [who has yet to go through the Bar Mitzvah] or if the drinker will get sick if served alcohol), plus the fact that non-alcoholic grape juice was only made a viable drink 151 years ago, the likelihood that "fruit of the vine" referred to something non-alcoholic in the time of Christ becomes vanishingly rare.

[John 6IX Breezy]

So, I decided to try and test that claim. Looking through Strong's Concordance, I found exactly three Greek nouns translated as "wine" that appear in the New Testament.

• Oinos, which means wine. It is used 34 times. Pretty straightforward.
  
• Oxos, which means vinegar, but is actually commonly believed to be an imperfect Greek translation of a drink called Posca, (this is actually a common mistranslation used by Plutarch as well as the Gospel writers because Greek lacked a word for the drink) which is basically a mix of vinegar, water, and maybe some herbs. Used six times.
  
• Gleukos, which is translated as "new wine." This appears exactly once, and in a context that severely undermines Drich's exegesis. It happens in Acts 2:13, a reaction to the apostles speaking in all the different languagaes of the world, and while some looked on in amazement and perplexity, (and I'm using the Amplified Bible for this) " But others were laughing and joking and ridiculing them, saying, “They are full of sweet wine and are drunk!” Many translations don't add "and are drunk," but the context remains clear: they think the Apostles are drunk when they speak all these foreign languages.
  

Is there a specific word for grape juice in Greek or is "wine" used interchangeably with alcohol and juice depending on the context?

[Rev. Rye]

So, I decided to try and test that claim. Looking through Strong's Concordance, I found exactly three Greek nouns translated as "wine" that appear in the New Testament.

• Oinos, which means wine. It is used 34 times. Pretty straightforward.
  
• Oxos, which means vinegar, but is actually commonly believed to be an imperfect Greek translation of a drink called Posca, (this is actually a common mistranslation used by Plutarch as well as the Gospel writers because Greek lacked a word for the drink) which is basically a mix of vinegar, water, and maybe some herbs. Used six times.
  
• Gleukos, which is translated as "new wine." This appears exactly once, and in a context that severely undermines Drich's exegesis. It happens in Acts 2:13, a reaction to the apostles speaking in all the different languagaes of the world, and while some looked on in amazement and perplexity, (and I'm using the Amplified Bible for this) " But others were laughing and joking and ridiculing them, saying, “They are full of sweet wine and are drunk!” Many translations don't add "and are drunk," but the context remains clear: they think the Apostles are drunk when they speak all these foreign languages.
  

Is there a specific word for grape juice in Greek or is "wine" used interchangeably with alcohol and juice depending on the context?

Looking further, it looks like there is a term for non-alcoholic grape juice in Greek: Moustos. That said, it's not quite grape juice as we know it (since the process that helps make that possible is about 151 years old), since it's pulpy as crap (7-23%). Also, worse for Drich's argument, it doesn't appear in Strong's Concordance.

[AniKoferBo]

scripture does not necessarily forbid a christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol.
alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful nor addictive.

You’ve reversed it. Now your first statement is incorrect and the second one is true. Again, there are multiple verses in the Bible which forbid the consumption of any amount of wine.

Boru

Wat??

[Dundee]

Again, there are multiple verses in the Bible which forbid the consumption of any amount of wine.

And where are those?

Anyway - there multiple  verses in the Bible which  recommend  the consumption of  of wine.

So there ....

[John 6IX Breezy]

Looking further, it looks like there is a term for non-alcoholic grape juice in Greek: Moustos. That said, it's not quite grape juice as we know it (since the process that helps make that possible is about 151 years old), since it's pulpy as crap (7-23%). Also, worse for Drich's argument, it doesn't appear in Strong's Concordance.

Do you have a reference for that word and it's definition? Languages are often fluid, drifting about with nothing to anchor them. So I would be interested to know if this word was indeed used during biblical times or if it emerged later on in the language.

[no one]

Truth be told, Jesus at an insatiable hunger for an Asian beverage, Cream of Sum Yung Gai.