[Serious] Christians what would change your mind?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What evidence would convince you that th bible is false?

What exactly do you require and on what area?

This is not a fair question. To be fair, this should apply to all religions and sub sects of all religions worldwide.


I wouldn't put it like this. 

I would ask, out of 7 billion humans, of countless religions and countless god claims, what makes you, the individual magically thing you got it right, where as all others did not?

That’s the same question.

Boru

[Xaventis]

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I’m not a Christian. I’m pointing out that your question makes no sense - Christians don’t look for evidence that the Bible is false, just as atheists don’t look for evidence that it is true. It’s like asking a stripper for evidence that taking her clothes off in public is a bad thing.

Boru

Ok if this is true then I apologize, I have far to many times encountered Christians (even professional debaters) totally change the subject of the conversation.

As for searching for what would disprove.
I operate on the principle of falsifiability and I sure know what would change my mind if it comes to the existence of god. All god needs to do is show himself to me, hang out for 1 year with me fly around across the universe create some galaxies, and I would talk to him about theology and have lots of questions.


After this I sure would think there is a god or that at least I have a experience with this god thing even if it was a hallucination or dream.

This is what is named Falsifiability.

If the opponents does not know what will change his mind then its pointless to debate, this question exposes how dishonest some Christians are, totally devoid of any honesty or sense of reality since all their talk is simply insisting that square wheels are better then round ones and if asked what would change their mind they can not give any examples.

[Ranjr]

For me, as a youth trying to be Christian, the Bible falsified itself.  The more I read it, along with broader contexts of history and literature, the more difficult it became to take as anything other than highly contrived fiction.

[Xaventis]

This is not a fair question. To be fair, this should apply to all religions and sub sects of all religions worldwide.

I disagree this is a question aimed at christians in a christian subset of this forum. So I think I can get away with a specific one

I would ask, out of 7 billion humans, of countless religions and countless god claims, what makes you, the individual magically thing you got it right, where as all others did not?

While funny and semi valid (objectively speaking) I find christian brains to immunized and will answer something like:
Because we have the bible.
Because the bible is the word of god.
Because all the prophecies in the bible.

In the end it does not really challenge the christian only kicked it back further. And now you can no longer use generic questions like this you must use something specific to this religion.

of countless religions and countless god claims, what makes you, the individual magically thing you got it right, where as all others did not?

This is a dishonest tactic considering that there are only 4 world religions
Christianity
Islam
Buddhism
Hinduism

The rest are minority or variants from these ones.

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For me, as a youth trying to be Christian, the Bible falsified itself.  The more I read it, along with broader contexts of history and literature, the more difficult it became to take as anything other than highly contrived fiction.

This mirrors my experience.
After as a enthusiastic christian teen I tried to read the bible for myself I quickly shut it in disgust the contents of the book where really stupid word combinations.

I like to imagine if in the future all the christian literature was destroyed and all future researchers knew was that this christian religion existed and this bible is their holy book. It would be next to impossible to reconstruct modern christieanity from the bible alone. There is far to many

"oh we don't take that story seriously" and "however this next part is super serious and is the foundation of our religion" modern christian folk lore simply has a verbal made up religion and tries to force the bible into supporting this non biblical religion.

The best parts are when a passage literally will go from super serious to not serious in the same sentence.

And the official word for this decanonising of bible passages is named "its an allegory!" and if asked a allegory for what? The christian can never answer.

The entire religion is one big joke, there are bible stories to stupid for the most hardcore 6 day creationists and even these 6 day creationists will say "LOL its only a story LOL".

The most insane thing is however when the Christians who are so strongly indoctrinated into the verbal non biblical religion will literally quote the bible with passages who have the direct and opposite meaning of what they are arguing and it looks something like this:

Christian: Repent! We are not allowed to wear red hats!
Christian quotes the bible: "for whoever of you have not a red hat and green shoes he will be destroyed by the lord god! This is the covenant between the lord god and you that you must always have green shoes and red hats on you, so says the lord god!"
Christian: See the bible itself says you will be destroyed if you wear a red hat

Me: Do you even understand the words that are coming out of your mouth?!

Seriously its like they have some censorship distortion while reading this and from
  "for whoever of you have not a red hat and green shoes he will be destroyed by the lord god! This is the covenant between the lord god and you that you must always have green shoes and red hats on you, so says the lord god!"
it turns into this in the christians head
  "for whoever of you have ... a red hat ------ he will be destroyed by the lord god! This is the covenant between the lord god and you .................. ............. so says the lord god!"

[Jehanne]

For me, as a youth trying to be Christian, the Bible falsified itself.  The more I read it, along with broader contexts of history and literature, the more difficult it became to take as anything other than highly contrived fiction.

As a young evangelical, fundamentalist Christian, I was deeply disturbed by all of those (apparent) contradictions, but, I simply could not connect the dots.  It was not until decades later (and, unfortunately, in the last decade) that the distinguished and eminent scholar, Professor Bart D. Ehrman, finally, cleared-up, once and for all, my misunderstandings of Jesus and the New Testament texts.

[Xaventis]

Professor Bart D. Ehrman

Any specifics ?

[brewer]

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Ok if this is true then I apologize, I have far to many times encountered Christians (even professional debaters) totally change the subject of the conversation.

As for searching for what would disprove.
I operate on the principle of falsifiability and I sure know what would change my mind if it comes to the existence of god. All god needs to do is show himself to me, hang out for 1 year with me fly around across the universe create some galaxies, and I would talk to him about theology and have lots of questions.


After this I sure would think there is a god or that at least I have a experience with this god thing even if it was a hallucination or dream.

This is what is named Falsifiability.

If the opponents does not know what will change his mind then its pointless to debate, this question exposes how dishonest some Christians are, totally devoid of any honesty or sense of reality since all their talk is simply insisting that square wheels are better then round ones and if asked what would change their mind they can not give any examples.

That sounds like god and not the bible (the fairy story of god), but anyway.

God does exist as a concept created by man. That's all some theists need. That would be a hard concept to falsify. The concrete existence,...... not so much.

Personally I consider the concept an emotional mental crutch, but if the theists need it to be happy, OK by me. I just wish they'd back off the false entitlement they think religious belief confers upon them.

[Xaventis]

That sounds like god and not the bible (the fairy story of god), but anyway.

God does exist as a concept created by man. That's all some theists need. That would be a hard concept to falsify. The concrete existence,...... not so much.

Personally I consider the concept  an emotional mental crutch, but if the theists need it to be happy, OK by me.

I don't think I understand this post.

[Jehanne]

Professor Bart D. Ehrman

Any specifics ?

Jesus of Nazareth existed and he was a Jewish apocalyptic prophet.  He did not see himself as God or as even being divine, nor did his followers.  Likewise, he made no claims to having performed supernatural miracles, nor did any of his followers make such claims about him.  He taught that the End of the World was near, he preached to various individuals in northern Galilee, and he performed exorcisms.  He took his message to Jerusalem during Passover, there was an altercation in the Temple, and Jesus, within a day or so, got himself arrested.  He probably never even met Pontius Pilate, but it was Pilate who gave the order to have Jesus crucified at the behest of the Jewish local authorities; after his execution, Jesus' body was removed from his cross and likely thrown into a nearby pit, where it may have been consumed by wild dogs.

[brewer]

That sounds like god and not the bible (the fairy story of god), but anyway.

God does exist as a concept created by man. That's all some theists need. That would be a hard concept to falsify. The concrete existence,...... not so much.

Personally I consider the concept  an emotional mental crutch, but if the theists need it to be happy, OK by me.

I don't think I understand this post.

You started out with the bible is false, then moved on to god is false.

God, any gods, were created by man. Human brains seem to be emotionally hard wired to create a god concept (idea, fantasy, delusion,.........). Some of grow out of it, others do not.