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The absurd need for logical proofs for God
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Get that Anselm? Hear that Aquinas?
 RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
November 22, 2020 at 5:24 pm
(This post was last modified: November 22, 2020 at 5:42 pm by R00tKiT.)
(November 22, 2020 at 4:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, np. First, let's ask if anyone actually established the equality of the concepts. I am still reading Plantinga's book. And I don't think this is how he presents his argument. For a start, it's the same criteria that leads the atheist to believe in2 and 3 that should be investigated, not the claim 4 taken by itself. (November 22, 2020 at 3:34 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Many religions offer up prophets, holy texts, personal testimony, etc. as evidence sufficient for belief. If two different people can believe in mutually exclusive religions based on the same type of evidence, then how reliable is that type of evidence? It doesn't matter if people believe in mutually exclusive religions based on the same criteria. A lot more than evidence -how appealing the religion is for each individual personally, his culture, etc. - should be considered when asking why someone picked some religion.  (November 22, 2020 at 5:24 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(November 22, 2020 at 4:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, np. First, let's ask if anyone actually established the equality of the concepts. Condensed version: ‘Believing in God makes me feel good, therefore God exists.’ I’m sensing a pattern, here. Boru
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 RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
November 22, 2020 at 6:32 pm
(This post was last modified: November 22, 2020 at 6:36 pm by Simon Moon.)
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.  RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
November 22, 2020 at 7:40 pm
(This post was last modified: November 22, 2020 at 7:40 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(November 22, 2020 at 5:24 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(November 22, 2020 at 4:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, np. First, let's ask if anyone actually established the equality of the concepts. It doesn’t matter to you that your method for determining whether or not a god exists is neither consistent nor reliable? That’s...telling, lol.
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@Klorophyll I don't want a logical proof.
I want concrete evidence. Do you have that? No? Then go away.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
Another one of your pretentious longwinded "It's not fair to ask me for evidence for my beliefs " Threads. One wonders how many times you will employ the same failed tactic to achieve the same failed results?
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