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Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
#21
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 11:51 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm sure that there are many perfectly american and very unchristian ways to be a hypocrite.

Even so, it's not clear how benefitting from something that you would not do or have some principled disagreement with, is one of them.  That's an awfully low bar for hypocrisy, imo.  Plucking our own chickens and digging our own turnips comes to mind.  People have disagreements as to whether and how-if we should do those things.  That doesn't mean that every bite of campbells stew is hypocrisy.  Or, if it does..again, hypocrisy is a small thing.

Women and gays do not profit from religions. They are oppressed by them.

How do atheists benefit from religious homophobia and misogyny?

Regards
DL

(January 9, 2021 at 11:57 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 11:40 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Not having an allegiance to what Americans swear so often to being alleged with, seems rather like Christian hypocrisy.  Oh well. You are truly a Christian nation.

I do not see what you mean with your first. I see both my statements as having the same disrespect for both entities.

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DL


More like patriotic immoral a holes, but less treasonous for sure, as they are rightfully preaching the law of the land.

Reversing the situation does not change the fact that what is basically an entertainment industry selling imaginary characters and  preaching against common law.

They are traitors to the country.

Regards
DL

Nonsense. Patriotism is an extremely situational notion. If your preaching agrees with the common law of your country, you can't possibly be a traitor to that country.

Boru
Correct.

Religions are doing the opposite. They are traitors to their nations.

Regards
DL
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#22
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 11:52 am)Greatest I am Wrote:
(January 8, 2021 at 7:53 pm)brewer Wrote: Lets start by getting them to pay taxes. Once that's done people can consider additional corrections.
Money is not as important as the satanic moral sense they teach to their children.

I agree that religions should not be funded by atheist dollars.

I think it disgusting that atheists and non-believers have been subsidizing religions that atheists have no use for.

Regards
DL

It's not about the money. It's about their standing in society.
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#23
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 11:58 am)Greatest I am Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 11:51 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm sure that there are many perfectly american and very unchristian ways to be a hypocrite.

Even so, it's not clear how benefitting from something that you would not do or have some principled disagreement with, is one of them.  That's an awfully low bar for hypocrisy, imo.  Plucking our own chickens and digging our own turnips comes to mind.  People have disagreements as to whether and how-if we should do those things.  That doesn't mean that every bite of campbells stew is hypocrisy.  Or, if it does..again, hypocrisy is a small thing.

Women and gays do not profit from religions. They are oppressed by them.

How do atheists benefit from religious homophobia and misogyny?

Regards
DL

(January 9, 2021 at 11:57 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Nonsense. Patriotism is an extremely situational notion. If your preaching agrees with the common law of your country, you can't possibly be a traitor to that country.

Boru
Correct.

Religions are doing the opposite. They are traitors to their nations.

Regards
DL

I'll try again.  Is a Syrian mullah who advocates the stoning of an adulteress a traitor to his nation? Is a Saudi imam who supports the execution of homosexuals a traitor? If these two preached the opposite, THEN they would be traitors.

Try to be less provincial.

Boru

Edit: Actually, women and gays DO profit from some religions, at least to the extent they are not condemned for being female or gay, are in no way oppressed, and can become clergy. 

I suppose that we could quibble over the definition of ‘profit’, but it’s clear they get as much out of their religion as their male and heterosexual fellow penitents.
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#24
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 11:58 am)Greatest I am Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 11:51 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm sure that there are many perfectly american and very unchristian ways to be a hypocrite.

Even so, it's not clear how benefitting from something that you would not do or have some principled disagreement with, is one of them.  That's an awfully low bar for hypocrisy, imo.  Plucking our own chickens and digging our own turnips comes to mind.  People have disagreements as to whether and how-if we should do those things.  That doesn't mean that every bite of campbells stew is hypocrisy.  Or, if it does..again, hypocrisy is a small thing.

Women and gays do not profit from religions. They are oppressed by them.
DL

Is that the rule.  People with a specific sex organ, sexual preference, or gender orientation are not capable of and never have benefitted from their religions?  Or that, if they have... they're hypocrites?
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#25
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 12:04 pm)brewer Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 11:52 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Money is not as important as the satanic moral sense they teach to their children.

I agree that religions should not be funded by atheist dollars.

I think it disgusting that atheists and non-believers have been subsidizing religions that atheists have no use for.

Regards
DL

It's not about the money. It's about their standing in society.

Your U.S. society denigrates atheists without a just cause.

A hell of a thanks for stealing tax dollars from you.

Regards
DL

(January 9, 2021 at 12:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 11:58 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Women and gays do not profit from religions. They are oppressed by them.

How do atheists benefit from religious homophobia and misogyny?

Regards
DL

Correct.

Religions are doing the opposite. They are traitors to their nations.

Regards
DL

I'll try again.  Is a Syrian mullah who advocates the stoning of an adulteress a traitor to his nation? Is a Saudi imam who supports the execution of homosexuals a traitor? If these two preached the opposite, THEN they would be traitors.

Try to be less provincial.

Boru

Edit: Actually, women and gays DO profit from some religions, at least to the extent they are not condemned for being female or gay, are in no way oppressed, and can become clergy. 

I suppose that we could quibble over the definition of ‘profit’, but it’s clear they get as much out of their religion as their male and heterosexual fellow penitents.

Yep. Nothing quite like the profit of being discriminated against without a justr cause.

Try as often to repeat your foolishness as you like.

You did not deal with the fact that they do the opposite of what you stated, which you deflected from. 

Regards
DL

(January 9, 2021 at 12:18 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 11:58 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Women and gays do not profit from religions. They are oppressed by them.
DL

Is that the rule.  People with a specific sex organ, sexual preference, or gender orientation are not capable of and never have benefitted from their religions?  Or that, if they have... they're hypocrites?

Religious rules change as required.

So much for their moral sense.

WHEN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS A CHRISTIAN RITE1 (christianity-revealed.com)

Regards
DL
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#26
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 3:44 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 12:04 pm)brewer Wrote: It's not about the money. It's about their standing in society.

Your U.S. society denigrates atheists without a just cause.

A hell of a thanks for stealing tax dollars from you.

Regards
DL

(January 9, 2021 at 12:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'll try again.  Is a Syrian mullah who advocates the stoning of an adulteress a traitor to his nation? Is a Saudi imam who supports the execution of homosexuals a traitor? If these two preached the opposite, THEN they would be traitors.

Try to be less provincial.

Boru

Edit: Actually, women and gays DO profit from some religions, at least to the extent they are not condemned for being female or gay, are in no way oppressed, and can become clergy. 

I suppose that we could quibble over the definition of ‘profit’, but it’s clear they get as much out of their religion as their male and heterosexual fellow penitents.

Yep. Nothing quite like the profit of being discriminated against without a justr cause.

Try as often to repeat your foolishness as you like.

You did not deal with the fact that they do the opposite of what you stated, which you deflected from. 

Regards
DL

(January 9, 2021 at 12:18 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Is that the rule.  People with a specific sex organ, sexual preference, or gender orientation are not capable of and never have benefitted from their religions?  Or that, if they have... they're hypocrites?

Religious rules change as required.

So much for their moral sense.

WHEN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS A CHRISTIAN RITE1 (christianity-revealed.com)

Regards
DL

So, you’re claiming that there are NO religions in which women and gays are welcomed and accorded the same level of respect and acceptance as anyone else?

ALL rules ‘change as required’. This is the nature of rules.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#27
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 4:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 3:44 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Your U.S. society denigrates atheists without a just cause.

A hell of a thanks for stealing tax dollars from you.

Regards
DL


Yep. Nothing quite like the profit of being discriminated against without a justr cause.

Try as often to repeat your foolishness as you like.

You did not deal with the fact that they do the opposite of what you stated, which you deflected from. 

Regards
DL


Religious rules change as required.

So much for their moral sense.

WHEN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS A CHRISTIAN RITE1 (christianity-revealed.com)

Regards
DL

So, you’re claiming that there are NO religions in which women and gays are welcomed and accorded the same level of respect and acceptance as anyone else?

ALL rules ‘change as required’. This is the nature of rules.

Boru

I wonder how you got that.

I made no such claim, as it would not be true.

My own Gnostic Christianity, for example, is a universalist creed that does not discriminate without a just cause against anyone.

Regards
DL
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#28
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 5:04 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 4:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: So, you’re claiming that there are NO religions in which women and gays are welcomed and accorded the same level of respect and acceptance as anyone else?

ALL rules ‘change as required’. This is the nature of rules.

Boru

I wonder how you got that.

I made no such claim, as it would not be true.

My own Gnostic Christianity, for example, is a universalist creed that does not discriminate without a just cause against anyone.

Regards
DL

I got it from a blanket statement you made, to wit:

Quote:Women and gays do not profit from religions. They are oppressed by them.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#29
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 3:44 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 12:18 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Is that the rule.  People with a specific sex organ, sexual preference, or gender orientation are not capable of and never have benefitted from their religions?  Or that, if they have... they're hypocrites?

Religious rules change as required.
If religious rules started out sucking, but can change as required, would that be a good thing or a bad thing?

Quote:So much for their moral sense.
As above, if a person has a moral rule - but they find that the facts of their moral rule were in error - wouldn't you want them to change it, and be able to change it? 

There's a version of christianity out there, right now, where rawdogging a bi pornstar is tantamount to sacrament.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#30
RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
(January 9, 2021 at 5:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 5:04 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: I wonder how you got that.

I made no such claim, as it would not be true.

My own Gnostic Christianity, for example, is a universalist creed that does not discriminate without a just cause against anyone.

Regards
DL

I got it from a blanket statement you made, to wit:

Quote:Women and gays do not profit from religions. They are oppressed by them.

Boru

Natures rules never change.

Of course religions have given women their due now and again, when the good of the many out weighed the good of the few immoral men who would denigrate all souls by indicating that god made some of them second class.

Tie equality to righteousness and you will see straight.

If your god is not a universalist, it is defective. A good god would not need a hell. That imaginary character would cure, not kill.

Right?

Regards
DL
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