Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 23, 2022, 4:22 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
[Serious] The Trinity
#11
RE: The Trinity
"Christianity doesn't make sense" - news at ten. You are aware this is an atheist forum OP?
Reply
#12
RE: The Trinity
(January 15, 2021 at 10:07 pm)Lawz Wrote: "Christianity doesn't make sense" - news at ten. You are aware this is an atheist forum OP?

Drinking again/still?  Your "charm" is showing.

Five is a pleasant member of the forum who is having conversations with others here.  If that doesn't suit you, there are other threads.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
Reply
#13
RE: The Trinity
AWTY - it's just that there seems to be a lot of threads lending inquisitive "respect" to religious dogmatic...er...made up stuff.

(January 15, 2021 at 10:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(January 15, 2021 at 10:07 pm)Lawz Wrote: "Christianity doesn't make sense" - news at ten. You are aware this is an atheist forum OP?

Drinking again/still?  Your "charm" is showing.

Trying my ass off to kick the sauce, and failing, yes.
Reply
#14
RE: The Trinity
(January 15, 2021 at 10:51 pm)Lawz Wrote: AWTY - it's just that there seems to be a lot of threads lending inquisitive "respect" to religious dogmatic...er...made up stuff.

(January 15, 2021 at 10:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Drinking again/still?  Your "charm" is showing.

Trying my ass off to kick the sauce, and failing, yes.

Moderator Notice
This thread has a "serious" tag.  If you don't want to be part of a discussion labeled as such, please find another thread to amuse yourself in.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
Reply
#15
RE: The Trinity
I apologize for upsetting others. As I explained, I was on a Christian forum months ago and everything else about Christianity I think I have figured out. But I felt like the Trinity question still didn't make sense, but I wasn't sure if that was because of me growing up LDS or if it just really doesn't makes sense.

I had concerns about asking that here but went ahead anyway because I figured this would be a safe place. Nobody here was going to quote Bible verses at me or exhort me to be saved; nobody was going to bully me if I pushed and poked further. I am curious because there are SO MANY, Christians. And they all believe this thing that I have never gotten a straight answer about. It's always been that garbled, sideways mouth talk that was in some of Grandizer's post(great post by the by, just breaking it all down for me; truly, thank you. It also outlines exactly what I sort of understood about it but with clarity in your points). Like, I get it, it's "magic" but I was interested in picking it apart; is it DID God? Is it cognitive dissonance? Is it "just shut up and faith!" ? Or is there a piece I'm missing?

I know the folks here are probably used to proselytizing trolls; we get them on the ex-Mo forums too and it's invasive and disrespectful. I'm here asking these questions because I'm free here to not be hassled to conversion and I can poke at the ideas as much as I want without being banned for heretical posting. I just wanted to clear that up.

Reply
#16
RE: The Trinity
(January 15, 2021 at 11:38 pm)Five Wrote: I apologize for upsetting others. As I explained, I was on a Christian forum months ago and everything else about Christianity I think I have figured out. But I felt like the Trinity question still didn't make sense, but I wasn't sure if that was because of me growing up LDS or if it just really doesn't makes sense.

I had concerns about asking that here but went ahead anyway because I figured this would be a safe place. Nobody here was going to quote Bible verses at me or exhort me to be saved; nobody was going to bully me if I pushed and poked further. I am curious because there are SO MANY, Christians. And they all believe this thing that I have never gotten a straight answer about. It's always been that garbled, sideways mouth talk that was in some of Grandizer's post(great post by the by, just breaking it all down for me; truly, thank you. It also outlines exactly what I sort of understood about it but with clarity in your points). Like, I get it, it's "magic" but I was interested in picking it apart; is it DID God? Is it cognitive dissonance? Is it "just shut up and faith!" ? Or is there a piece I'm missing?

I know the folks here are probably used to proselytizing trolls; we get them on the ex-Mo forums too and it's invasive and disrespectful. I'm here asking these questions because I'm free here to not be hassled to conversion and I can poke at the ideas as much as I want without being banned for heretical posting. I just wanted to clear that up.

Please don't think you did anything wrong or caused any upset.  

Unfortunately it can be a trigger for some when a serious conversation starts.  And there are a few militant atheists who feel some need to shout from the rooftops - sort of reverse evangelicals - if you will.

I like questions such as the one you posed because it makes me think about some of the more specific reasons that I turned away from religion.  I don't have a problem with rethinking things and have learned a tremendous amount on this forum and the forum I used to be on.

The differences in what are supposedly Christian religions are something I find fascinating.  

You are nowhere near a ban.

And I think "shut up and faith" is a very large part of most religions, if not all.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
Reply
#17
RE: The Trinity
Moderator Notice
Post deleted and user thread banned for ignoring advice to follow protocols of the "serious" tag.
Reply
#18
RE: The Trinity
See above.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
Reply
#19
RE: The Trinity
Gradizer gave a good summary. Some variation exists of course. My denomination tends to side with the narrative that although Christ was fully God he nevertheless became fully human. He is divine in title but not nature.

Regardless, the concept of the trinity seems internally coherent. There are similar metaphors everywhere we look: we talk about a single atom although we know its three separate particles, we use 2-in-1 body wash, and the list goes on. I think where the concept becomes incoherent for some is when they try to make it fit into some external category. For example, wanting Christianity to be strictly either monotheistic or polytheistic.
Reply
#20
RE: The Trinity
A particle in an atom does not embody the fullness of the whole atom, right?
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Refuting trinity. Mystic 35 4218 April 8, 2018 at 2:15 pm
Last Post: JackRussell
  The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians GrandizerII 169 13953 February 9, 2018 at 8:48 pm
Last Post: Amarok
  The Trinity and Mary vorlon13 52 12836 May 30, 2017 at 12:28 pm
Last Post: Lek
  10 apologist mistakes about trinity Mystic 21 3251 April 2, 2016 at 5:34 pm
Last Post: athrock
  Where Did The Trinity Teaching Come From? Alter2Ego 13 3873 March 17, 2014 at 1:20 pm
Last Post: Tonus
  Trinity old man 133 34505 September 19, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Last Post: Cyberman
  The trinity Drich 246 83583 June 11, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Where Did the Trinity Teaching Come From? Alter2Ego 80 32237 June 6, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Last Post: parabola
  The trinity. objectivitees 14 3220 October 21, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Last Post: Cyberman
  Trinity Nonsense DeistPaladin 23 16344 June 21, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Last Post: Minimalist



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)