BREAKING: Loujain Al-Hathloul FREE ! thanks Biden !

[Silver]

Praise Biden!

[onlinebiker]

That is not disputed.

We just noted your sexist attitude concerning women's appearances....

No; you just pulled a kindergarten attempt to divert attention from the tortured victim to me.
Populous tactics are very well known by now.

You are a humorless, sexist troglodyte that does not even recognize that women in prison are not afforded access to cosmetics.

[Mister Agenda]

she went gray from torture !!!! look at her before and after ! read the news !!!

Do you have evidence that torture causes gray hair? Because I certainly have evidence that untortured people can have gray hair in their twenties and that lack of access to hair coloring can reveal gray hair pretty quickly.

She was tortured, it was a crime against her human rights, but doubting that the torture caused the gray hair doesn't make anyone a 'filthy fuck'.

The fallacies you're committing are 'post hoc ergo proctor hoc' and appeal to emotion.

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In fairness to onlinebiker, I took your horror at her looks as sarcastic, Winterhold.  She looks pretty to me, and happy, and I thought you were mocking that.  It just shows how perceptions can be warped online.

Yes, she lost weight and has gray hair.  That's not unexpected in prison.  That doesn't say anything about the treatment she received, though I have no doubt it was unpleasant.  I also agree that her imprisonment was a travesty, and I am happy she has been released.

For the record:

https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-b...air-white/

Severe stress could theoretically cause the immune system to cause dark hairs to fall out, leaving just the white ones behind. Nonetheless, there are no scientifically documented cases of this happening after a fright.

There will always be people who lost their humanity and grew apathy as a curse; ironically here in front of you is a victim of torture with a world that saw her torturer MBS in action during the Trump reign; yet some deny and defend MBS.. Even if his victims carried the scientific evidence that they went under sever stress and suffering in his prison.

No one here is defending MBS, they are questioning your assumption about Loujain's gray hair being a result of torture. The link you gave indicates that in theory someone could get gray hair from severe stress. It has never been adequately documented, but it may have happened. You need to eliminate the obvious explanations before latching on to the one that's possible in theory. Obvious explanations include that she aged almost three years while being imprisoned for almost three years; or that her hair started graying even earlier but she concealed it with hair coloring.

Does anyone know what fallacy is in play when someone accuses people of defending human rights violations or supporting a dictator if they don't jump to the conclusion that a particular instance of gray hair was caused by torture? Hasty generalization?

[The Grand Nudger]

The weight loss is probably related - I imagine that getting raped and beaten on the regular hurts a persons appetite. That's one of the last things you can do to escape. Over the wall or under the building, you're free either way. Does look like she was already greying, though.

: shrugs :

What strikes me is how goddamned happy she looks in both photos. I wonder whether she'll leave or stay.

[Angrboda]

This is all assuming that losing weight and acquiring grey streaks in her hair are not things she intentionally did.