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Ham vs. Craig
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RE: Ham vs. Craig
(November 27, 2021 at 8:54 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: the details don't matter imo. 

Some people might say that because our conclusions are correct, the examples we use to demonstrate these conclusions don't have to be true. I think this would be problematic.

Quote:Xians began insisting everyone be like them or else.  

This was a bad way for them to be. They should definitely be more like you and me.
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#22
RE: Ham vs. Craig
(November 27, 2021 at 10:04 pm)hi Belacqua Wrote:
(November 27, 2021 at 8:54 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: the details don't matter imo. 

Some people might say that because our conclusions are correct, the examples we use to demonstrate these conclusions don't have to be true. I think this would be problematic.

Quote:Xians began insisting everyone be like them or el

This was a bad way for them to be. They should definitely be more like you and me.


Allow me to offer a translation:   it is wrong to assessed christianity by any standard which does result in complete echo the christian’s’ preferred view of their own religion.   Any mutual cobtradiction between the views of different christian’s must not be interpreted to mean any of christian’s say about christianity is untrue.
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#23
RE: Ham vs. Craig
(November 27, 2021 at 7:27 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: Hypatia was murdered on the  urging of the Bishop of Alexandria.   A pagan, a philosopher  mathematician and woman who disagreed with Christian dogma She had some influence with the Governor  and some of the people of Alexandria. Consequently, she was a threat to the Bishop's power. Anyway, that's my take based on what I've seen and read.  

Christians saw her as a threat because they didn't like the free discussion of ideas and therefore as someone who threatened bishops. And they did kill her in the church. People did hold Bishop Cyril responsible because he fermented hate against her and probably ordered her murder.



teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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