Jews vs. Palestine

[WinterHold]

Vae victis; Zionism.

Congratulations to every free Palestinian and especially to the heroes of Gazza who witnessed one of the most brutal onslaughts in history.

The cease-fire from the Zionist regime will begin in 2 am.

<3 Palestinian heroes.

Using terms like ‘heroes of Gaza’ and ‘Zionist regime’ are part of the reason why this shite keeps happening.

Boru

But the whole world is calling the extreme, Zionist state for what it is: a racist, xenophobic apartheid regime that doesn't belong in the world of today:

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/th...ersecution

Israeli officials have also committed the crime against humanity of persecution.

So please; times are changing, and this terrorist regime is not fooling anybody anymore.

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Vae victis; Zionism.

Congratulations to every free Palestinian and especially to the heroes of Gazza who witnessed one of the most brutal onslaughts in history.

The cease-fire from the Zionist regime will begin in 2 am.

<3 Palestinian heroes.

I am sick of the word "hero" on a planet of a triblalistic spicies that is only a couple cromisomes from apes.

You are going to eventually die, just like I will. So the key to more peace, is, at least for me, saying "FUCK YOUR DAMNED RELIGION"

Dying for my loved ones defending against a Nazi killer is such an honor. I mean I learned that from uncle Sam, didn't he kept bragging about nuking "ze bad japs" or "burning ze germans" for the ze souls zey killed? I'm just doing what he taught me to do; but with my own ghoul: the "Zionazi".

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is there a jew who is not an Israeli?

You realize that not all Jewish people have Israel citizenship, right? That the majority of Jewish people don’t even live in Israel?

Not only are there Jews who are not Israelis, there are Israelis who are not Jewish (most of them are called ‘Palestinians).

Boru

There is no such country called Israel.
It's Palestine. Revise history.

[The Grand Nudger]

Nuts like you on either side of any firing line are generally why the line exists in the first place. Food for thought.

[Drich]

not according to your scots man diplomat.. he clearly insinuates" any jew living anywhere in the world has citizenship or a right to it while the 6 million who were seemingly ejected from their homes a (seemingly)  few nights ago do not."

He says they all either have citizenship or have a right to it. And that phrasing implies that there are Jews who currently do not have Jewish citizenship. Also, my therapist is Jewish and she's not an Israeli citizen. At least, I don't think she has Israeli citizenship; the furthest I remember her going from Northbrook in the nine years we've known each other is Puerto Vallarta, and that's in Mexico. And, frankly, after all this horseshit that just went down, she probably wouldn't want it. Indeed, looking at the law, it seems that a Jew claiming Israeli citizenship is still contingent on them actually claiming it.

Also, your blatantly not reading your sources has reached a new low, since the title clearly states that the MP is Irish and not Scottish.



Hell, this could just be the dude who's been steeped in British movies and TV since birth talking, but that accent's clearly Irish and not Scottish. He even sounds quite a bit like Ardal O'Hanlon:

having a right to citizenship is close enough. extending this right to EVERY jew, the argument is really over. because no jew, active citizen or not, is free from persecution. whether resident of the jewish state or not they at any point in any country can be targeted simply because they have ties/can be considered israeli, by the enemy's of the jewish state. look at what is going on in NYC. american citizens being attacked in the place of business for simply being jew by religious affiliation. and yet are being attacked for their ties to their home land.

you might be able to draw distinctions for the sake of argument but in practical and typical racist actions these people are treated with the same contempt if for religious reason or matters of the state, and done so interchangeably (persecute the religious for matters of the state persecute the citizen for matters of the religion.) for as long as they have been a collective people.

So what you say or pretend to separate is not how the evil of this world sees them and works against them.

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well one there aren't 6 million people alive now that were exiled from israel 70 years ago.. more like 100,000 men and women as of 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi..._Palestine
so any ties to land are neglible as those alive today were children then. 

The bottom line palestinian land was not taken by the americans or the jews. they lost their land in 1517 to the ottomans and the ottoman empire. before then they occupied the east bank of the jordan river just like they do now. then in 1517 they lost their lands to the ottomans who kept their land and israel till after WWI in 1918! where it fell under british rule as a colony! so again no lands unlike the ignorant scotsman claimed. So from 18 to 1948 these were british held lands and governed by british authority. who allowed both arabs and jews to live there side by side. which triggered several disputes till the end of WWII when it was officially decided to redivide the land as it was before the ottomans took over in 1517 giving the jews the land west of the river jordan to the sea of galilee and the palestinians the lands tot he east.
https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mo...8-to-1948/
your hero is a lying one sided tool. and your video is too chopped up to make him look like he dominated the discussion. it makes it look like his boyfriend was trying to salvage his ego. 

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not according to your scots man diplomat.. he clearly insinuates" any jew living anywhere in the world has citizenship or a right to it while the 6 million who were seemingly ejected from their homes a (seemingly)  few nights ago do not."

History aside, the state of things in Isreal in the present day is one of apartheid, and there is no coherent argument that it isn’t.

The man in the video is Irish, not Scottish. What he is referring to is ‘the right of return’. It sounds good in theory (and is actually a different animal than citizenship), but the Israelis don’t apply it evenly (re: Uganda). What he is arguing is that Israeli Muslims are treated as second-class citizens, the very definition of apartheid.

Boru

my gut reaction is to say so what.. If muslims living in a primarily jewish state don't like it they are free to move across the river to a primarily muslim state. they do not live in america.. they are not entitled to the same rights and freedoms we are. our constitution does not protect them, nor should they have a claim to our rules and way of life if they are not a citizen living in a state... 

I say that because that is exactly the same sentiment that exists on the east bank of the jordan river in palestine concerning the jews. Except in palestine.. there are active gangs who seek out the jews to beat murder and roust them out of their land. where is your concern for apartheid for the jews who held lands in what is now palestine that have been seized by that government and reallocated to muslims? 

why is justice always one sided with you guys? why do you only see muslim suffering? wrongs done to muslims? as i pointed out in 1948 both muslims and jews lived in this region well mixed under british rule. meaning jews lived on the west bank as well as the eastern bank of the jordan. then the jews were given the western side and the muslims the easterside just like it was before the ottomans took over. this means people on both sides were rousted out of their homes, and forced out of a country because they were of the wrong religion.

The only difference was the muslims took an aggressive path to exile all jews while the jews allowed muslims to stay so long as they worked with in the frame work of the jewish state.

So again which is the greater evil? what the muslims have done with the jews ousting them out of their family homes if on the wrong side of the jordan or what the jews are doing by allowing muslims to live in a jewish state?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

He says they all either have citizenship or have a right to it. And that phrasing implies that there are Jews who currently do not have Jewish citizenship. Also, my therapist is Jewish and she's not an Israeli citizen. At least, I don't think she has Israeli citizenship; the furthest I remember her going from Northbrook in the nine years we've known each other is Puerto Vallarta, and that's in Mexico. And, frankly, after all this horseshit that just went down, she probably wouldn't want it. Indeed, looking at the law, it seems that a Jew claiming Israeli citizenship is still contingent on them actually claiming it.

Also, your blatantly not reading your sources has reached a new low, since the title clearly states that the MP is Irish and not Scottish.



Hell, this could just be the dude who's been steeped in British movies and TV since birth talking, but that accent's clearly Irish and not Scottish. He even sounds quite a bit like Ardal O'Hanlon:

having a right to citizenship is close enough. extending this right to EVERY jew, the argument is really over. because no jew, active citizen or not, is free from persecution. whether resident of the jewish state or not they at any point in any country can be targeted simply because they have ties/can be considered israeli, by the enemy's of the jewish state. look at what is going on in NYC. american citizens being attacked in the place of business for simply being jew by religious affiliation. and yet are being attacked for their ties to their home land.

you might be able to draw distinctions for the sake of argument but in practical and typical racist actions these people are treated with the same contempt if for religious reason or matters of the state, and done so interchangeably (persecute the religious for matters of the state persecute the citizen for matters of the religion.) for as long as they have been a collective people.

So what you say or pretend to separate is not how the evil of this world sees them and works against them.

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History aside, the state of things in Isreal in the present day is one of apartheid, and there is no coherent argument that it isn’t.

The man in the video is Irish, not Scottish. What he is referring to is ‘the right of return’. It sounds good in theory (and is actually a different animal than citizenship), but the Israelis don’t apply it evenly (re: Uganda). What he is arguing is that Israeli Muslims are treated as second-class citizens, the very definition of apartheid.

Boru

my gut reaction is to say so what.. If muslims living in a primarily jewish state don't like it they are free to move across the river to a primarily muslim state. they do not live in america.. they are not entitled to the same rights and freedoms we are. our constitution does not protect them, nor should they have a claim to our rules and way of life if they are not a citizen living in a state... 

I say that because that is exactly the same sentiment that exists on the east bank of the jordan river in palestine concerning the jews. Except in palestine.. there are active gangs who seek out the jews to beat murder and roust them out of their land. where is your concern for apartheid for the jews who held lands in what is now palestine that have been seized by that government and reallocated to muslims? 

why is justice always one sided with you guys? why do you only see muslim suffering? wrongs done to muslims? as i pointed out in 1948 both muslims and jews lived in this region well mixed under british rule. meaning jews lived on the west bank as well as the eastern bank of the jordan. then the jews were given the western side and the muslims the easterside just like it was before the ottomans took over. this means people on both sides were rousted out of their homes, and forced out of a country because they were of the wrong religion.

The only difference was the muslims took an aggressive path to exile all jews while the jews allowed muslims to stay so long as they worked with in the frame work of the jewish state.

So again which is the greater evil? what the muslims have done with the jews ousting them out of their family homes if on the wrong side of the jordan or what the jews are doing by allowing muslims to live in a jewish state?

I’m not really concerned with the whole ‘which side is right debate’. I’m more concerned with both sides killing innocent people. When Hamas fires rockets into residential neighbourhoods, they’re wrong. When Israel air strikes a refugee camp, they’re wrong.

Boru

[Rev. Rye]

So, your argument is that if someone doesn’t like the treatment they’re getting, they can just leave. Even in the home where your family’s lived for generations? And this includes ethnic cleansing? Dumbass, just try and look up some of the conditions Palestinians have to live with and think if you’d be okay with brushing them off with “eh, if you don’t like it, you can leave” if they applied to, for instance, half-Koreans, Christians*, or adults who can barely read.

And while there’s a shitton of debate as to what caused 4/5 of the Arabs in the area to leave in 1947-8, frankly, what set off this particular crisis, expelling Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah, sounds like a pretty clear-cut (if small-scale) example to me. And, bear in mind, I’m actually one of the forumites that’s likely to give Israel the benefit of the doubt (when you’ve dug as deep into the history of the Holocaust as I have and (your hometown was, at one point, the Holocaust Survivor capital of the world, it comes fairly easily, even if it’s in terms of “well, the human rights in Israel are still less shit than most, if not all, other countries in this area,” and “the atrocities that they’ve committed in this week’s skirmish seems more like really disproportionate escalation than aggression,”) it’s really fucking hard to do so in this case, especially if you’re hardwired to not think of ethical questions in terms of “how dare you worry about your selfish desires when you can worry about my selfish desires?”

*note: before you claim you’re already persecuted as a Christian, I would like to point out that your views not being taken seriously enough and/or the laws currently on the books not fitting with the theocratic ideals does not persecution make.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

So, your argument is that if someone doesn’t like the treatment they’re getting, they can just leave. Even in the home where your family’s lived for generations? And this includes ethnic cleansing? Dumbass, just try and look up some of the conditions Palestinians have to live with and think if you’d be okay with brushing them off with “eh, if you don’t like it, you can leave” if they applied to, for instance, half-Koreans, Christians*, or adults who can barely read.

And while there’s a shitton of debate as to what caused 4/5 of the Arabs in the area to leave in 1947-8, frankly, what set off this particular crisis, expelling Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah, sounds like a pretty clear-cut (if small-scale) example to me. And, bear in mind, I’m actually one of the forumites that’s likely to give Israel the benefit of the doubt (when you’ve dug as deep into the history of the Holocaust as I have and (your hometown was, at one point, the Holocaust Survivor capital of the world, it comes fairly easily, even if it’s in terms of “well, the human rights in Israel are still less shit than most, if not all, other countries in this area,” and “the atrocities that they’ve committed in this week’s skirmish seems more like really disproportionate escalation than aggression,”) it’s really fucking hard to do so in this case, especially if you’re hardwired to not think of ethical questions in terms of “how dare you worry about your selfish desires when you can worry about my selfish desires?”

*note: before you claim you’re already persecuted as a Christian, I would like to point out that your views not being taken seriously enough and/or the laws currently on the books not fitting with the theocratic ideals does not persecution make.

Drich and Winter’s views are emblematic of the whole fucking problem. As long as people are of the opinion that one side or the other is morally and legally in the right in any possible permutation of circumstances, this will never end.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

Derptch justifying apartheid and boiling this whole conflict down too "but Muslims are meanies and therefore treating like shit is fine"

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Derptch justifying apartheid and boiling this whole conflict down too "but Muslims are meanies and therefore treating like shit is fine"

And Winter chubbing up every Hamas launches a rocket barrage.

Boru

[Angrboda]

I'd differentiate the two. While Drich is stupid, Winter is both stupid and aggressively xenophobic.

[Anomalocaris]

I'd differentiate the two.  While Drich is stupid, Winter is both stupid and aggressively xenophobic.

drich is just too stupid to tie his various xenophobias into something of a whole or phrase his xenophobia in a intelligible manner.