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"Thank God" after the fact.
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RE: "Thank God" after the fact.
(May 14, 2021 at 9:48 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Thank god isn't a phrase that I even notice.

The "praise Jesus" and "God is so good" types are the ones that I know live on the Kool-Aid.

Oh. Are we simply talking about the phrase? Or are we talking about the belief, like "I am blessed for being obedient" and "I am suffering because I need to learn a lesson"?

As far as phrasing, I notice I have the tendency to say "Thank God" as a turn of phrase. God doesn't exist so can't be thanked for anything and I don't like the feeling that I am auto organized into a faith group, especially the strong associations with Christianity (really, who else other than Christians says "Thank God." I have taken to consciously replacing it with "Thank Hastur" based on the fictional Old One The King in Yellow. They're playing pretend and I'm playing pretend.

Eventually, I'm hoping to find something to replace it with that isn't thanking any fictional deities. The "Thank ___" phrasing fulfills some function for me in communication and once I can figure it out, I can stop using "Thank ___" even as an offhand insert.
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#12
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Some people hang themselves. Thanking God or being driven insane by Gods impossible way of life isn't the worst life.
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#13
RE: "Thank God" after the fact.
(May 14, 2021 at 10:00 am)Five Wrote:
(May 14, 2021 at 9:48 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Thank god isn't a phrase that I even notice.

The "praise Jesus" and "God is so good" types are the ones that I know live on the Kool-Aid.

Oh. Are we simply talking about the phrase? Or are we talking about the belief, like "I am blessed for being obedient" and "I am suffering because I need to learn a lesson"?

As far as phrasing, I notice I have the tendency to say "Thank God" as a turn of phrase. God doesn't exist so can't be thanked for anything and I don't like the feeling that I am auto organized into a faith group, especially the strong associations with Christianity (really, who else other than Christians says "Thank God." I have taken to consciously replacing it with "Thank Hastur" based on the fictional Old One The King in Yellow. They're playing pretend and I'm playing pretend.

Eventually, I'm hoping to find something to replace it with that isn't thanking any fictional deities. The "Thank ___" phrasing fulfills some function for me in communication and once I can figure it out, I can stop using "Thank ___" even as an offhand insert.
All I'm saying is that I don't think people put that much thought into saying "Thank God".  No more than they think about saying "OMG".  It's one of those automatic and familiar phrases.  There was a time when I thought about saying something more along the lines of "Thank dog" but that just seems extreme to me.  Many responses that are simple phrases are just what people are used to hearing and saying and there's no depth of conviction behind it.

I guess I shed the militant atheist mindset a long time ago.  You are newer at this and will find your comfort level.  I do an internal eyeroll with "Have a blessed day." but even that doesn't really bother me much any more, I just still notice it.

I think it's important on many fronts to pick your battles.  As a mom, I know I had to learn that lesson.  Some things just aren't worth the stress.
       I am the storm.                                                             
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#14
RE: "Thank God" after the fact.
(May 14, 2021 at 5:09 am)Brian37 Wrote: I really do get tired of this horrible logic. 

Someone has an "OH SHIT" moment, like avoiding death in an accident, or avoiding a murder, or even after a murder, the killer is caught. 

"Thank God" I survived the plane crash, but fuck all the people who died. 

"Thank God" I survived the mass shooting, and screw all those who died.

I don't understand the logic behind why one life is more imortant or less important. 

The harsh reality is that while everyone wants to live, ultimately there is no God helping humans are watching over us, or helping us. 

"They're in a better place" I really fucking hate that bad logic. If someone dies. by accident, or crime, or violence, and they move on to a utopia in the afterlife, then why are you bitching? If I had a friend or family member who won the lottery, I wouldn't blame the ticket seller. 

The truth is without the god crap or superstition, is nobody likes to die. There is no reason to concoct religion or superstition to explain why evolution drives life to continue.

you are right everything you said above is an example of horrible logic.

1)We thank God in all things including death. only those who worship this life because they have nothing waiting for them afterwards... curse god for not giving them 100 years of guilt free sin that does not come around and bit them or others. I personally have no desire to live 100 years. i can see on the horizon a time where i want nothing more to do with the coming evils the next generation are struggling to make main stream. I cant stand how much evil is main stream now, let alone before to accept more. I want to make sure those who i leave behind are well cared for and i want to finish what God has for me to do and i want to go home. i want to see which of you make it, and which of you dont. 


2)how stupid are you to think nothing has consequence? that if God allowed your sins he's be force to stop someone else if their sin included raping you or harming you. WE are the ones who grade sin. We are the ones who say this sin is greater than that. why? because the sins we tell ourselves are ok which allows us to be 'moral people' can only work if there are sins that are worse. when in fact to God all sin are the same.

So it's either all or nothing. if you want to cast off sin and live free, then there is a place set aside for you to do so.

Like wise if you wish to hang on to your sins, there is a place where you can do that too, but know it is far apart from those who do not wish to be in sin.



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#15
RE: "Thank God" after the fact.
Quote:to God all sin are the same.

That’s not only a morally repugnant stand, it’s also unsupported by scripture.

Boru
Ignorance is never valid grounds for the rejection of established facts.
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#16
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Drich needs to stop all this shit and get right with jesus, imo.
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#17
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Drich makes Jesus cry.

Boru
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#18
RE: "Thank God" after the fact.
(May 20, 2021 at 10:59 am)Drich Wrote:
(May 14, 2021 at 5:09 am)Brian37 Wrote: I really do get tired of this horrible logic. 

Someone has an "OH SHIT" moment, like avoiding death in an accident, or avoiding a murder, or even after a murder, the killer is caught. 

"Thank God" I survived the plane crash, but fuck all the people who died. 

"Thank God" I survived the mass shooting, and screw all those who died.

I don't understand the logic behind why one life is more imortant or less important. 

The harsh reality is that while everyone wants to live, ultimately there is no God helping humans are watching over us, or helping us. 

"They're in a better place" I really fucking hate that bad logic. If someone dies. by accident, or crime, or violence, and they move on to a utopia in the afterlife, then why are you bitching? If I had a friend or family member who won the lottery, I wouldn't blame the ticket seller. 

The truth is without the god crap or superstition, is nobody likes to die. There is no reason to concoct religion or superstition to explain why evolution drives life to continue.

you are right everything you said above is an example of horrible logic.

1)We thank God in all things including death. only those who worship this life because they have nothing waiting for them afterwards... curse god for not giving them 100 years of guilt free sin that does not come around and bit them or others. I personally have no desire to live 100 years. i can see on the horizon a time where i want nothing more to do with the coming evils the next generation are struggling to make main stream. I cant stand how much evil is main stream now, let alone before to accept more. I want to make sure those who i leave behind are well cared for and i want to finish what God has for me to do and i want to go home. i want to see which of you make it, and which of you dont. 


2)how stupid are you to think nothing has consequence? that if God allowed your sins he's be force to stop someone else if their sin included raping you or harming you. WE are the ones who grade sin. We are the ones who say this sin is greater than that. why? because the sins we tell ourselves are ok which allows us to be 'moral people' can only work if there are sins that are worse. when in fact to God all sin are the same.

So it's either all or nothing. if you want to cast off sin and live free, then there is a place set aside for you to do so.

Like wise if you wish to hang on to your sins, there is a place where you can do that too, but know it is far apart from those who do not wish to be in sin.




^^^^^^^ This was as clear as MUD!

There is no magical dick sucking, or magical safe room a magic man in the sky offers humans.

Drich, I cannot say, what my thoughts will be a week from now, or 10 years from now. But what I can honestly say, is that there is currently no fucking way I am going to kiss the ass of an asshole authoritarian whose only goal is for me to kiss his ass.
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#19
RE: "Thank God" after the fact.
(May 20, 2021 at 11:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:to God all sin are the same.

That’s not only a morally repugnant stand, it’s also unsupported by scripture.

Boru

Seems James 2:10 disagrees
 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[b] also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment

and again in roman 6:23 where it says the wages for sin is death meaning the net result for any sin is the same death.

now granted all but one sin can find forgiveness, which means all but one sin are equally redeemable. but that doesn't make the unforgivable sin better or worse than the others it just means that sin has no redemption which in turn means that sinner will have pay for that sin.. but again the payment is the same whether blaspheming the HS or bearing false witness.

It is the net result of sin that makes all sin the same. it's like saying there is a 20 year sentence on all crime no matter how big or small. because the consequence is the same it give the same value to all crime. If everything results in a death sentence, then all crimes are capitol crimes
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#20
RE: "Thank God" after the fact.
(May 21, 2021 at 12:56 pm)Drich Wrote:
(May 20, 2021 at 11:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That’s not only a morally repugnant stand, it’s also unsupported by scripture.

Boru

Seems James 2:10 disagrees
 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[b] also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment

and again in roman 6:23 where it says the wages for sin is death meaning the net result for any sin is the same death.

now granted all but one sin can find forgiveness, which means all but one sin are equally redeemable. but that doesn't make the unforgivable sin better or worse than the others it just means that sin has no redemption which in turn means that sinner will have pay for that sin.. but again the payment is the same whether blaspheming the HS or bearing false witness.

It is the net result of sin that makes all sin the same. it's like saying there is a 20 year sentence on all crime no matter how big or small. because the consequence is the same it give the same value to all crime. If everything results in a death sentence, then all crimes are capitol crimes

If all sins were equal in the eyes of God, then God would be willing to forgive every possible sin. He isn't, so they aren't.

That's the scriptural bit. The moral repugnance comes in when God views stealing food to feed a starving child as being just as sinful as a rape/torture/murder spree.

Boru
Ignorance is never valid grounds for the rejection of established facts.
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