The reason religion is so powerful

[John 6IX Breezy]

And the embryos that don't implant and get flushed, what human rights should they have?

Give them whatever rights you want; it's as inconsequential as giving passengers about to crash the right to vote. Shouldn't our focus be preventing plane crashes and miscarriages?

[brewer]

And the embryos that don't implant and get flushed, what human rights should they have?

Give them whatever rights you want; it's as inconsequential as giving passengers about to crash the right to vote. Shouldn't our focus be preventing plane crashes and miscarriages?

There's nothing as satisfying as moving the goal posts.

Edit: You need to look up miscarriage.

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Early pregnancy loss can be grouped into two different categories based on when the loss happens. Sometimes the embryo just won't implant, which is still a loss for the patient, though not technically considered a miscarriage.

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[arewethereyet]

And the embryos that don't implant and get flushed, what human rights should they have?

Give them whatever rights you want; it's as inconsequential as giving passengers about to crash the right to vote. Shouldn't our focus be preventing plane crashes and miscarriages?

I get why we want to prevent plane crashes but since miscarriages can be nature's way of terminating a non-viable pregnancy, why would we want to stop that?

[John 6IX Breezy]

....nature's way of terminating a non-viable pregnancy, why would we want to stop that?

The medical field is indifferent toward nature's ways; its goals are to prolong life and restore health.

[arewethereyet]

....nature's way of terminating a non-viable pregnancy, why would we want to stop that?

The medical field is indifferent toward nature's ways; its goals are to prolong life and restore health.

You are consistent in being full of yourself as well as full of shit.

You have become boring.

[John 6IX Breezy]

You have become boring.

The prospect of saving lives and pregnancies is boring—got it.

[arewethereyet]

You have become boring.

The prospect of saving lives and pregnancies is boring—got it.

Right...that's what I said.

You just like to hear yourself talk and try to impress people with how much research you have done on every fucking topic.  You only impress yourself.

You are tiresome.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Personhood appears to be a legal term. You don't find evidence of personhood, you have to legally describe it. Perhaps no different from legal adulthood being 18+.

In biology, human is the category—that's our species. And embryo, fetus, infant, childhood, adolescence, adulthood, late adulthood—these are all our developmental stages. That's all there is to it.

And the embryos that don't implant and get flushed, what human rights should they have?

You raise an important point. I do wonder why should I care so much for something that Nature seems to care so little for. So many attempt at life and so few survive. On its face you are saying, that yeah, life is cheap so why care about inconvenient and vulnerable ones. It's not wrong. Life is cruel. Does that mean I have to be cruel?

Now maybe there is a certain developmental milestone, somewhere between conception and delivery, where both personhood and 'quickening'* proceeds. I would love to end this abortion debate with some compelling compromise that truly satisfies the extremists on both sides - from every sperm is precious to grab a fork it's done for. Because, yeah, life is cheap. Many are conceived then still-born...expelled by the body as naturally as if it were on birth control. Buuuuttttt....only a sick mind could pull babies out of the womb leaving, only their tiny little heads inside, and jabbing a pair of scissors in their spines.


* quickening was the only semi-thelogical word I could find. Like the point at which one's distinctiveness, or soul/formal cause, becomes manifest in an otherise generic material cause...to just spout some Scholastic gibberish.

[John 6IX Breezy]

You only impress yourself.

That's the only person worth impressing.

[arewethereyet]

You only impress yourself.

That's the only person worth impressing.

Then why involve us?