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[The Architect Of Fate]

Stuff it.

The only time you see anyone as honest is if they agree with your half baked bullshit.

Nah he sees them as honest if they are. Whether they agree with him or not. So this statement is the bullshit here 

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Stuff it.

The only time you see anyone as honest is if they agree with your half baked bullshit.

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What do you think we base legality and illegality upon if not the concepts of good and evil?

But - let us then assume for the sake of your arguement that using wonton violence can be "good" how do you apply it here?

And no fair pronouncing one politically motivated act as " good".

The jury is and always will be out on that score....

I’m happy to agree that the concepts of legality are based on the concepts of moral good and evil, but that doesn’t by any means ensure that that which is legal will always be good. This is why the law makes exceptions for the circumstances in which otherwise illegal actions will not be punished. For example, if you were to shoot someone for shits and giggles, the law will punish you. However, if you shoot someone as a means of defending yourself or others, the law will consider the circumstances.

I’ve never been attacked by a dumpling, so I’ll assume you meant ‘wanton’ violence. This generally refers to violence that is unprovoked or done without reason. We aren’t talking about wanton violence, but violence done with a specific purpose in mind.

What jury where? 

Boru

His response is essentially rewriting your scenario to dodge the question

Shocker 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Yeah my spell check is and always is off - and the print on my phone screen is about 1 mm - so a mistake does get through occasionally.

In your original scenario - using a brick to stove in someone' s skull to force them to quit abusing a kid certainly seems severe - if not simply messy and distasteful. Of course your scenario is not well enough detailed to provide an actual answer. 

Let' s clean it up. Supposing it was the ONLY avenue open to you ( unlikely as that is - it would be a dedicated kiddie diddler who would keep at abusing a kid once found by an objecting adult) to prevent harm to the kid - then it would be JUSTIFIABLE. Good? No - still bad. I don' t think it would be good for a kid to go through the trama of seeing ANYONE'S head caved in with a brick. While not a brick - I did once see a co- worker head stoved in by a wrench he was using on a 20 ton punch press trying to jog it - and he tripped the engagement - spinning the 3 foot long wrench at about 200 rpm.... It wasn' t pretty - and unsuitable for younger viewers...

So recap - let' s not confuse good with justifiable.

Fair enough?

I’m not sure I can agree than a justifiable action isn’t of necessity a good action, but let’s take that as read, since ‘justifiable’ means that something can be show to be right and reasonable. But again, you’re focusing on the consequences of the behaviour, not the behaviour itself.

Are you now saying that the riots in the summer of 2020 can be justified?

Boru

[onlinebiker]

Yeah my spell check is and always is off - and the print on my phone screen is about 1 mm - so a mistake does get through occasionally.

In your original scenario - using a brick to stove in someone' s skull to force them to quit abusing a kid certainly seems severe - if not simply messy and distasteful. Of course your scenario is not well enough detailed to provide an actual answer. 

Let' s clean it up. Supposing it was the ONLY avenue open to you ( unlikely as that is - it would be a dedicated kiddie diddler who would keep at abusing a kid once found by an objecting adult) to prevent harm to the kid - then it would be JUSTIFIABLE. Good? No - still bad. I don' t think it would be good for a kid to go through the trama of seeing ANYONE'S head caved in with a brick. While not a brick - I did once see a co- worker head stoved in by a wrench he was using on a 20 ton punch press trying to jog it - and he tripped the engagement - spinning the 3 foot long wrench at about 200 rpm.... It wasn' t pretty - and unsuitable for younger viewers...

So recap - let' s not confuse good with justifiable.

Fair enough?

I’m not sure I can agree than a justifiable action isn’t of necessity a good action, but let’s take that as read, since ‘justifiable’ means that something can be show to be right and reasonable. But again, you’re focusing on the consequences of the behaviour, not the behaviour itself.

Are you now saying that the riots in the summer of 2020 can be justified?

Boru

No.

I don' t feel either was justified and think were pretty much the same thing - assholes acting out because they didn' t get their way.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Then that's yet more evidence of your inability to comprehend the concept of a  False Equivalence Debbie

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Yeah my spell check is and always is off - and the print on my phone screen is about 1 mm - so a mistake does get through occasionally.

In your original scenario - using a brick to stove in someone' s skull to force them to quit abusing a kid certainly seems severe - if not simply messy and distasteful. Of course your scenario is not well enough detailed to provide an actual answer. 

Let' s clean it up. Supposing it was the ONLY avenue open to you ( unlikely as that is - it would be a dedicated kiddie diddler who would keep at abusing a kid once found by an objecting adult) to prevent harm to the kid - then it would be JUSTIFIABLE. Good? No - still bad. I don' t think it would be good for a kid to go through the trama of seeing ANYONE'S head caved in with a brick. While not a brick - I did once see a co- worker head stoved in by a wrench he was using on a 20 ton punch press trying to jog it - and he tripped the engagement - spinning the 3 foot long wrench at about 200 rpm.... It wasn' t pretty - and unsuitable for younger viewers...

So recap - let' s not confuse good with justifiable.

Fair enough?

I’m not sure I can agree than a justifiable action isn’t of necessity a good action, but let’s take that as read, since ‘justifiable’ means that something can be show to be right and reasonable. But again, you’re focusing on the consequences of the behaviour, not the behaviour itself.

Are you now saying that the riots in the summer of 2020 can be justified?

Boru

His response is just repeating the same fallacy again

(He seriously the BLM was about people not getting their way   )

[onlinebiker]

Delores you just don' t get it do you?

[The Architect Of Fate]

Delores you just don' t get it do you?

Get that you're an utter moron with the brains of a lobotomized  Tuna. Yes Debbie I get that 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I’m not sure I can agree than a justifiable action isn’t of necessity a good action, but let’s take that as read, since ‘justifiable’ means that something can be show to be right and reasonable. But again, you’re focusing on the consequences of the behaviour, not the behaviour itself.

Are you now saying that the riots in the summer of 2020 can be justified?

Boru

No.

I don' t feel either was justified and think were pretty much the same thing - assholes acting out because they didn' t get their way.

It seems I was right. Since you can agree that some violence in the cause of a greater good is justifiable, but want to cling to the idea that violence in the cause of greater racial equality is not justifiable, I've wasted my time.

Boru

[brewer]

Hijack. Derail. Abandon.

[zebo-the-fat]

Sure. Of course.

I can be made to change my thoughts. Have several times. 

Whatcha got?

Look at it on a different scale, as a hypothetical:

Situation A: You see a man sexually abusing a toddler. You bash him in the head with a brick to make him stop.

Situation B: You see a man with a REALLY cool jacket. You bash him in the head with a brick so you can take it.

In both situations, the behaviours taken by you are identical - bashing a man in the head with a brick. Only the intentions are different - stopping the rape of a child and stealing a jacket that you really want.

Are both behaviours bad?

Boru

Well, really it would all depend on just how cool the jacket was, and also if it would fit you

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Hijack. Derail. Abandon.

Point taken
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NZ To Criminalize Attack Planning

The Counter Terror Legislation Bill criminalises planning and preparation that might lead to terror attack, closing what critics have said has been a loophole allowing plotters to stay free.

Better late than never, I reckon.

Boru