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RE: Why I can't take the Gospels seriously.
June 9, 2021 at 1:32 am
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Interestingly enough, only the drawn out death makes the cut to historical jesus. Not a name, not anything he's said to have said, not the rabbi part.
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RE: Why I can't take the Gospels seriously.
June 9, 2021 at 10:06 am
Then there was Jesus' Casteneda summer, when he wandered the dessert alone and hallucinated. Josephus wrote of a similar experience when he dabbled in the ascetic sect.
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RE: Why I can't take the Gospels seriously.
June 9, 2021 at 11:19 am
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(June 8, 2021 at 11:28 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: The only historical figure that at least some small part of the Gospels was based on was Jesus ben Ananias, so maybe he was a "historical Jesus"?
I think there are a few more historical figures in the Gospels than that.
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RE: Why I can't take the Gospels seriously.
June 9, 2021 at 11:43 am
Like Pontus Pilate, whose portrayal by the historical record is almost entirely backwards from his portrayal in the Gospels, morality-wise, especially since, in reality, he was so brutal that even the emperor Tiberius had to recall him to Rome in 37 AD because of it.
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RE: Why I can't take the Gospels seriously.
June 17, 2021 at 11:45 am
(June 16, 2021 at 4:09 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (June 16, 2021 at 1:13 pm)Drich Wrote: ok so, how does barabas change anything in the core teachings of the bible?
It causes theological problems.
what theological problems? specifically??
Quote: That you are unaware of such problems is or should be cause for concern.
i'm trying to have a dialog here sport. Is that not the purpose of this website? I am giving the op the opportunity to spell out any theological issues he may have. because as far as any bible based christian is concerned barabas has nothing to do with salvation in any way shape or form. now if you think you have some magical kill switch wired through belief in barabas, then you too are welcome to have this discussion by sharing what ever antiquated bit-o-info you think you have.. otherwise sit down mud duck, if you are not smart enough to contribute to the discussion... then please make room for those who are.
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RE: Why I can't take the Gospels seriously.
June 17, 2021 at 6:20 pm
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Well, let's propose that it doesn't cause any issue, so long as you're willing to abandon any belief predicate on the narrative being a set of retold facts rather than a story for theological effect. Maybe you're willing to carve up the text into truth and half truth and outright fabrication. I would understand, pretty much any atheist would undertsand - but if you're willing to do that, what do you imagine will be left after it's all been assessed and studied and exhaustively categorized?
Well, you'll end up with what nt scholars call The Historical Jesus. A nameless man from nazareth who was executed by the romans. Fullstop. What did he say? We don't know, maybe nothing. What did he do? We don't know, maybe something...leading us into our final question, why did they execute him? No idea, but it was probably related to whatever he did. Did he rise from the dead? No. Was he a god? No. Is the religion of christianity founded on his being or person? No.
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