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RE: Non-binary
June 11, 2021 at 3:02 pm
Quote:Kinda funny though, hearing millenials think they invented gender fluidity
To my knowledge, they have never claimed this
Quote: and scold the GenXers, who listened to Prince and Boy George
Yet constantly that generation mocks the notion of gender fluidity
Quote:. And it was way old back then
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RE: Non-binary
June 11, 2021 at 5:02 pm
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RE: Non-binary
June 11, 2021 at 6:39 pm
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(June 11, 2021 at 5:02 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I admit I don’t really get the point of identifying as non-binary, but I also know there’s no reason to dismiss it as a delusion.
This isn't a topic I've taken time to research, but my impression is that its something that grew out of, or was popularized by political or ideological beliefs. Ideas can be infectious, and people latch on to them when it helps them make sense of who they are. Examples would be astrology—many people genuinely believe they are Virgos and Scorpios; or they'll build an entire community around their Myers-Brings personality types. My assumption is that the destabilizing effects of extreme social constructionist ideas, coupled with the little ambiguity we all have, and a growing community, leads some people to adopt it as their identity. (Note that many sub-sub-groups are always emerging: agender, bigender, etc.)
Specifically, I'm referring to those who identify as non-binary, but are not androgynous, intersexed, or transgender (which seems to be the main group of people adopting the identity).
p.s. I don't agree that gender is binary in the first place, or even categorical. Gender has no form—which is perhaps why so many identities are emerging in attempts to give it shape. Gender is performative (to use a popular phrase) it is the way your biological sex acts and thinks and feels, both internally and in society.
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RE: Non-binary
June 11, 2021 at 6:48 pm
Nope 
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RE: Non-binary
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RE: Non-binary
June 12, 2021 at 12:25 am
When it comes to gender, all I have ever seen is either male or female. Certainly, drag is an illusion, but even so the distinction is always there that one is either male or female. Not other.
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RE: Non-binary
June 12, 2021 at 12:28 am
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Male and female are sexes. I gather that you tend to see the world that way. You see people within the confines of that. Perhaps thats not how they view themselves...and, I think it would be difficult to float the idea that any illusory portion of a disagreement between how you see them and how they feel is on their end, rather than yours or mine or, broadly speaking, our own as a society. A person might tell us exactly who they are, but that won't make us see it, even if it's true. That's not how we've been lead to view things, we see it, for example, as either/or, maleboy/femalegirl. There are only two, can only be two, etc etc etc.
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RE: Non-binary
June 12, 2021 at 12:30 am
Semantics.
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RE: Non-binary
June 12, 2021 at 12:37 am
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Self perception is probably more than semantics. How would you respond to the notion that whatever you think you are, something profoundly important to you, about you, is semantics? When people tell us that they're Other, I think that they're probably making an accurate observation about themselves and in/of the context of our society's gender normative traditions or constructs.
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RE: Non-binary
June 12, 2021 at 12:38 am
(June 12, 2021 at 12:25 am)Foxaire Wrote: When it comes to gender, all I have ever seen is either male or female. Certainly, drag is an illusion, but even so the distinction is always there that one is either male or female. Not other.
Really? What is a hermaphrodite then? That seems to be a sort of error one does not even have to think for a second to avoid making.
But think two seconds, why the hell does behavior as complex as human social expression have to undergo compulsory conditioning to correlate to the bipolar expression of gonad development?
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