Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?

[arewethereyet]

I’m also sorry that you don’t agree - we must have different concepts of the meaning of ‘exploitive’. If I offer you employment at higher wages than anyone else is willing to pay AND give you free board and lodging into the bargain, in what way are you being exploited?

Boru

Because your still demanding labor for those things.

Most employers demand labor for wages.

That's sort of the whole point.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Most employers demand labor for wages.

That's sort of the whole point.

I have already said I think wage labor is exploitative.

I'll also point out that's a little off the original conversation with Huggy was he was proposing that the prerequisite for housing homeless people should be they work for you. Not quite the same as people specifically showing up at a place to work.

[arewethereyet]

Most employers demand labor for wages.

That's sort of the whole point.

I have already said I think wage labor is exploitative.

Do you know what wages are?

Or are you just off on another of your SJW rants?

[The Architect Of Fate]

Do you know what wages are?

Yup 

Or are you just off on another of your SJW rants?

What heck does the idea that wage labor is a form of exploitation have to do with being an SJW? DO you think Adam Smith and was an SJW? He also agreed wage labor was exploitation. I don't you SJW even is.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I’m also sorry that you don’t agree - we must have different concepts of the meaning of ‘exploitive’. If I offer you employment at higher wages than anyone else is willing to pay AND give you free board and lodging into the bargain, in what way are you being exploited?

Boru

Because your still demanding labor for those things.

True enough - it was a working farm, not a charity. 

Boru

[Angrboda]

Most employers demand labor for wages.

That's sort of the whole point.

I have already said I think wage labor is exploitative.

I'll also point out that's a little off the original conversation with Huggy was he was proposing that the prerequisite for housing homeless people should be they work for you. Not quite the same as people specifically showing up at a place to work.

What do you mean when you say something is exploitative?

Generally speaking, exploitation is the unfair capitalizing on an imbalance of some sort. The employer has the capital and the worker only has their labor, but it would seem a stretch to call that unfair.

So what do you mean when you say wage labor is exploitative?

[The Architect Of Fate]

Because your still demanding labor for those things.

True enough - it was a working farm, not a charity. 

Boru

This means it really doesn't follow my conversation with Huggy, And still does follow my earlier objections.

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What do you mean when you say something is exploitative?

Generally speaking, exploitation is the unfair capitalizing on an imbalance of some sort. The employer has the capital and the worker only has their labor, but it would seem a stretch to call that unfair.

So what do you mean when you say wage labor is exploitative?

The concept of an employer and a worker is inherently imbalanced and the fact the worker most sells his labor is inherently exploitative. I'm not sure how to make that much clearer

[Angrboda]

What do you mean when you say something is exploitative?

Generally speaking, exploitation is the unfair capitalizing on an imbalance of some sort. The employer has the capital and the worker only has their labor, but it would seem a stretch to call that unfair.

So what do you mean when you say wage labor is exploitative?

The concept of an employer and a worker is inherently imbalanced and the fact the worker most sells his labor is inherently exploitative. I'm not sure how to make that much clearer

That you believe wage labor is exploitative is clear. What's not clear is what you mean by exploitative. Is Brian exploiting me and my contributions because he has a penis and I do not? That's an imbalance. Are all imbalances exploitative? If so, how do you determine who is exploiting who? I seem to be exploiting Jeff Bezos' desire to be wealthy by ordering things from Amazon. All you're doing is blathering.

That wage labor is exploitative doesn't answer why wage labor is exploitative, what does it mean for a relationship to be exploitative, which was the question.

Basically your answer is, "By saying wage labor is exploitative I mean that wage labor is exploitative." Well, like fucking duh.

[The Architect Of Fate]

That you believe wage labor is exploitative is clear. What's not clear is what you mean by exploitative. 

It's pretty clear

Is Brian exploiting me and my contributions because he has a penis and I do not? That's an imbalance.

Not really because there is no labor relationship and no the possession of a penis isn't inherently exploitative unless we attach a power dynamic to it.

 Are all imbalances exploitative? 

Nope talking about power imbalance in relation to labor in this case.

If so, how do you determine who is exploiting who? 

By the power imbalance in labor relations in this case

I seem to be exploiting Jeff Bezos' desire to be wealthy by ordering things from Amazon. 

Nope buying something from Amazon is not exploiting Jeff Bezos there isn't the same kind of power dynamic.

All you're doing is blathering.

All your doing is getting upset for no reason. Take a deep breath and calm down.

That wage labor is exploitative doesn't answer why wage labor is exploitative, what does it mean for a relationship to be exploitative, which was the question.

As I have said above By the power imbalance in labor relations and the fact workers have to sell their labor. 

Basically your answer is, "By saying wage labor is exploitative I mean that wage labor is exploitative." Well, like fucking duh

I think I answered this above

[arewethereyet]

That you believe wage labor is exploitative is clear. What's not clear is what you mean by exploitative. 

It's pretty clear

Is Brian exploiting me and my contributions because he has a penis and I do not? That's an imbalance.

Not really because there is no labor relationship and no the possession of a penis isn't inherently exploitative unless we attach a power dynamic to it.

 Are all imbalances exploitative? 

Nope talking about power imbalance in relation to labor in this case.

If so, how do you determine who is exploiting who? 

By the power imbalance in labor relations in this case

I seem to be exploiting Jeff Bezos' desire to be wealthy by ordering things from Amazon. 

Nope buying something from Amazon is not exploiting Jeff Bezos there isn't the same kind of power dynamic.

All you're doing is blathering.

All your doing is getting upset for no reason. Take a deep breath and calm down.

That wage labor is exploitative doesn't answer why wage labor is exploitative, what does it mean for a relationship to be exploitative, which was the question.

As I have said above By the power imbalance in labor relations and the fact workers have to sell their labor. 

Basically your answer is, "By saying wage labor is exploitative I mean that wage labor is exploitative." Well, like fucking duh

I think I answered this above

Apparently you haven't explained your stance in a manner that is understandable outside of your own skull.

Try explaining it...break it down simply and clearly without a dozen Quotes With No Names.