The downside of electric vehicles.

[onlinebiker]

Let's say I fill up my tank every week and it costs $40 for a full tank.  That calculates to $2080 per year; $10,400 over 5 years.  There's your new battery and then some!

Oh, an electric cars have inherently less maintenance, too.

Uh huh.....

Care to tell us what you PAID for that car?

You math sucks like a black hole chum....


Lets look at my costs...... The most expensive car I have ever bought? 

$2200.

The car I am driving right now I paid $900. I filled it up the other day and it cost me $26. with the driving I do that will last a couple weeks. It gets 35 mpg. I can and do all my own maintenance except for transaxle overhauls and paint jobs.

Old piece of shit? Old yes. POS no - it is in excellent condition and I would confidently hop in it right now and drive anywhere in the country. 

It is how - on poverty fixed income I can own 13 cars... Of course 5 of those are for parts.

I could not afford the payments, insurance or registration on ONE new car. It is laughable to suggest that I could.

[no one]

You are viewing this from today's perspective. Sure, the average person might not be able to afford this, but right now, the average person doesn't need to.

We are looking at like 2030 before most automotive manufacturers plan to go fully electric. As far as I know, there aren't any government mandates telling the public they can't purchase any after this date, just that they will no longer be produced.

By the time internal combustion engine is outlawed, there will be plenty of run of the mill electric, or alternative fueled vehicles available.

[onlinebiker]

You are viewing this from today's perspective. Sure, the average person might not be able to afford this, but right now, the average person doesn't need to.

We are looking at like 2030 before most automotive manufacturers plan to go fully electric. As far as I know, there aren't any government mandates telling the public they can't purchase any after this date, just that they will no longer be produced.

By the time internal combustion engine is outlawed, there will be plenty of run of the mill electric, or alternative fueled vehicles available.

And they will be too expensive for the poor.

Unless you suddenly start pooping cobalt, manganese, nickel and lithium.....  There are no cheap sources of any of these - and the more you use the less is available - thus driving up the price. Batteries ARE going to get more expensive - not less.

[Rev. Rye]

And we”re still ignoring that even now, car ownership is moving out of reach of even the middle-class? That car prices have gone up by 38% on average in the decade prior to 2018 while income only went up by 5%. And that with the Pandemic, the situation somehow became even worse? And that this isn’t just because of the electric vehicle since, as of last year, they made up less than 5% of the market?

[onlinebiker]

And we”re still ignoring that even now, car ownership is moving out of reach of even the middle-class? That car prices have gone up by 38% on average in the decade prior to 2018 while income only went up by 5%. And that with the Pandemic, the situation somehow became even worse? And that this isn’t just because of the electric vehicle since, as of last year, they made up less than 5% of the market?

I think there are some factors that don' t get accounted.... Like the number of young people that have no desire to own or drive a car...

But still - yeah I agree it is harder for most poor people to own a car - primarilly because of the cost of maintenance. Most people are simply unable to do anything more advanced than changing a tire.

[brewer]

I don't hold the assumption that e vehicles in the future will need to have all of the attributes of gas vehicles or current e vehicles. They'll get more diverse, have different capacities-capabilities, be built/bought for specific purposes, have better battery tech (including recycling), .................

E vehicles will be the alternative not an exact replacement.

[Spongebob]

Uh huh.....

Care to tell us what you PAID for that car?

You math sucks like a black hole chum....


Lets look at my costs...... The most expensive car I have ever bought? 

$2200.

The car I am driving right now I paid $900. I filled it up the other day and it cost me $26. with the driving I do that will last a couple weeks. It gets 35 mpg. I can and do all my own maintenance except for transaxle overhauls and paint jobs.

Old piece of shit? Old yes. POS no - it is in excellent condition and I would confidently hop in it right now and drive anywhere in the country. 

It is how - on poverty fixed income I can own 13 cars... Of course 5 of those are for parts.

I could not afford the payments, insurance or registration on ONE new car. It is laughable to suggest that I could.

I didn't say anything about the purchase price, nor did you OP.  All you were griping about was battery replacement costs.  And I answered that unequivocally.  

My car gets around 32 mgp and holds about 14 gallons.  With the prices we have now where I live, that's right at $42 on flat empty.

That's all I addressed because that's all your stupid OP was griping about.  Now, of course, you are doing your usual goal post movement and acting like I didn't address your first point.  You just don't like to admit when you've been beaten.  Maybe if you spent as much time working as you do posting on here you wouldn't be so poor.

The biggest downside that is never discussed is the fact ( yes - fact) that the move to electric vehicles will eventually make it impossible for lower income people to own a car. If you don' t see this as a problem then we have to assume you think all poor people should be stuck in an inner city ghetto. That is the only place they can survive. Rural life doesn' t include mass transit.

Why does it make it impossible for the poor to own a car?

Ever price the maintenance?


Go google " what does it cost to replace the batteries in a Chevy Volt"..... They do need it every 5-7 years.

Just the battery is over $8700. No labor.

And NO the price will not go down as production goes up. Production costs will go down - but MATERIAL costs will go up drastically due to the scarcity of the materials.

There will be no cheap cars. The remaining gas vehicles will be snatched up by wealthier people when production of gas powered vehicles stops due to regulation.

All you mentioned was the battery costs.  Car manufacturers are already building less expensive EVs, btw.  We are still at the leading edge of this product.  What, you think gas cars were always cheap?  They were the plaything of the rich originally.  Gripers gonna gripe.

[pocaracas]

One of the big gripes with electric cars in the U.S. and Europe is that manufacturers are bringing them full of tech that brings the cost up. True.

But elsewhere there are models of EVs that don't have all the bells and whistles and won't make you poor.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...the-masses


the 37-year-old bought a 66,900-yuan ($10,000) crossover from local electric-vehicle maker Hozon Auto. It’s one of a growing number of vehicles that run on batteries and electric motors gaining popularity in lower-income parts of the country because of their modest prices and lower running costs.
...
In China, Hozon Auto’s Neta N01 is one of a slew of low-cost EVs, including the $8,950 e1 minicar from Warren Buffett-backed BYD Co. There’s also the SAIC Motor Corp.-General Motors Co. joint venture’s Hongguang Mini, which entered the market last year at a base price of just $4,230 and quickly became a hit. In the first half of 2020 the average retail price of an EV, excluding incentives, was $55,233 in the U.S., compared with $29,895 in China, according to automotive research firm Jato Dynamics.

Automakers are able to churn out the mainland’s budget EVs by keeping frills to a minimum in the interior and under the hood. The cars are often only capable of traveling at low speeds. And Changqing’s electric crossover gets about 187 miles per charge—about half the distance of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range.
...
A recent study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, mapping more than 1,000 cars available in the U.S. on the basis of their total lifetime costs (which include upfront, maintenance, and fueling expenses), shows that Nissan Motor Co.’s electric Leaf—starting at less than $25,000 for a 2021 model after tax subsidies in the U.S.—is one of the cheapest cars available today.


And don't forget the second hand market where prices are always quite a bit friendlier.

[onlinebiker]

Are you really so clueless that you think one single thing contributes to the ownership of a car?

My appologies.

I thought I was talking to a fucking adult who understands such things.



Let' s put it on a level your cartoon brain can handle.


CAR = $$$$$$

 Po folk no got $$$$


That better?

[no one]

Everything is too expensive for the poor.
If you live in abject poverty, food and other basic essentials are too expensive.

Just like there are Bentleys and there are Kias right now, there will continue to be an assortment of vehicles available to the general pubic that fit the specific needs

As the infrastructure builds and replaces the current one, all the issues we see today, will not be for the future generations.