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The other problem with electric vehicles
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RE: The other problem with electric vehicles
(August 18, 2021 at 12:10 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(August 18, 2021 at 12:03 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Terrorist sympathizers now control a large market of a resource YOU want.

The fact that there are some other sources doesn' t change a thing.

True, but the fact that there's fuck-all in the way of infrastructure to get it out of the ground and China isn't likely to fund said infrastructure due to being burned on a very similar scheme in Afghanistan does.

Also, potentially getting lithium from terror-sympathising states is different from getting oil from terrorist-sympathising states like Saudi Arabia how, exactly?

We have oil.  We currently export it. We don' t have to buy theirs.

Lithium? Not so much.


And you didn' t hear me say there is a difference.


911 was funded and carried out by Saudis.

We invaded the wrong country.
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RE: The other problem with electric vehicles
(August 18, 2021 at 12:15 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 18, 2021 at 12:10 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: True, but the fact that there's fuck-all in the way of infrastructure to get it out of the ground and China isn't likely to fund said infrastructure due to being burned on a very similar scheme in Afghanistan does.

Also, potentially getting lithium from terror-sympathising states is different from getting oil from terrorist-sympathising states like Saudi Arabia how, exactly?

We have oil.  We currently export it. We don' t have to buy theirs.

Lithium? Not so much.


And you didn' t hear me say there is a difference.


911 was funded and carried out by Saudis.

We invaded the wrong country.

If there's no difference, then what's the fucking point in devoting an entire thread to one and not the other? Except maybe "owning the libs," I mean.

Also, we don't have to buy Afghani lithium, because they don't have enough infrastructure to mine it and not even China's willing to pay them that much for that purpose. They may control a huge lode of lithium, but it won't mean a fucking thing if they can't get it out of the ground.
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RE: The other problem with electric vehicles
(August 18, 2021 at 12:25 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(August 18, 2021 at 12:15 am)onlinebiker Wrote: We have oil.  We currently export it. We don' t have to buy theirs.

Lithium? Not so much.


And you didn' t hear me say there is a difference.


911 was funded and carried out by Saudis.

We invaded the wrong country.

If there's  no difference, then what's the fucking point in devoting an entire thread to one and not the other? Except maybe "owning the libs," I mean.

Also, we don't have to buy Afghani lithium, because they don't have enough infrastructure to mine it and not even China's willing to pay them that much for that purpose. They may control a huge lode of lithium, but it won't mean a fucking thing if they can't get it out of the ground.
Also doesn't get around the fact we bought fossil fuels from terror-supporting countries for decades didn't see him bitching then, And the same slimeballs who head America's extraction of fossil fuels now were the same people who were willing to make deals with those countries. But now that he can use it to bash electric cars it's all of a sudden an issue.
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3 Geographical distribution of the known Lithium reserves worldwide [12]. Source: Chemetall - Roskill Information Services Ltd. (2009), R. Keith Evans, Geologist and Industrial Minerals Expert (2009), Garrett – Handbook of Lithium and Natural Calcium Chloride (2004), National research Council (NRC) (1985)


Where do the Taliban have the Lithium that China wants?
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RE: The other problem with electric vehicles
(August 17, 2021 at 9:39 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 17, 2021 at 6:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I didn’t realize that the Taliban had made such significant inroads into South America. Every source I checked agrees that the world’s largest lithium deposits are in Chile, Bolivia, and Argentina.

I’d also be interested to know to what extent these countries support international terrorism.

Boru

I was going by this..

https://qz.com/2047785/under-the-taliban...-minerals/

Then maybe you should have read the whole thing before you pushed the panic button. From the same article:

Quote:Competing factions within the Taliban would make it very difficult for any company to negotiate mining deals, and China is unlikely to extend to the group the scale of infrastructure loans that would be required to bring any sizable mining operations online, said Nick Crawford, a development economics researcher at the International Institute for Strategic Studies think tank. That’s especially true after Chinese investors got burned on a $3 billion copper mining project in Afghanistan, that started in 2007 and , largely because of challenges related to the lack of infrastructure.

If the Chinese spent $3 billion on copper mining and got nothing for it, what makes you think they'll do any better with lithium? It looks as if the Chinese would have to essentially re-build Afghan infratructure to get anywhere, which will likely be prohibitively expensive, even for them.

Boru
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RE: The other problem with electric vehicles
(August 18, 2021 at 5:33 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 17, 2021 at 9:39 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I was going by this..

https://qz.com/2047785/under-the-taliban...-minerals/

Then maybe you should have read the whole thing before you pushed the panic button. From the same article:

Quote:Competing factions within the Taliban would make it very difficult for any company to negotiate mining deals, and China is unlikely to extend to the group the scale of infrastructure loans that would be required to bring any sizable mining operations online, said Nick Crawford, a development economics researcher at the International Institute for Strategic Studies think tank. That’s especially true after Chinese investors got burned on a $3 billion copper mining project in Afghanistan, that started in 2007 and , largely because of challenges related to the lack of infrastructure.

If the Chinese spent $3 billion on copper mining and got nothing for it, what makes you think they'll do any better with lithium? It looks as if the Chinese would have to essentially re-build Afghan infratructure to get anywhere, which will likely be prohibitively expensive, even for them.

Boru

Never underestimate a profit motive.


Copper isn' t as lucrative as lithium.
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RE: The other problem with electric vehicles
(August 18, 2021 at 7:28 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 18, 2021 at 5:33 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Then maybe you should have read the whole thing before you pushed the panic button. From the same article:


If the Chinese spent $3 billion on copper mining and got nothing for it, what makes you think they'll do any better with lithium? It looks as if the Chinese would have to essentially re-build Afghan infratructure to get anywhere, which will likely be prohibitively expensive, even for them.

Boru

Never underestimate a profit motive.


Copper isn' t as lucrative as lithium.

Recent price per kg (in USD):

Copper (average): 9.42

Lithium carbonate (the kind most of the batteries are made from): 9.39

Cost for refining (average):

Copper: 124/tonne

Lithium:  4000/tonne

Boru
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RE: The other problem with electric vehicles
So, you think The PRC’s going to see Yuan signs at the prospect of mining lithium, despite having tried and failed at something very similar a bit over a decade ago, with an element that has roughly the same market value and also costs 3% of what lithium costs to refine, which doesn’t go into the astronomical startup costs required to rebuild Afghanistan’s infrastructure, something which America tried and failed to do in between battles with terrorists for almost 20 years.


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RE: The other problem with electric vehicles
(August 18, 2021 at 5:33 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 17, 2021 at 9:39 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I was going by this..

https://qz.com/2047785/under-the-taliban...-minerals/

Then maybe you should have read the whole thing before you pushed the panic button. From the same article:

Quote:Competing factions within the Taliban would make it very difficult for any company to negotiate mining deals, and China is unlikely to extend to the group the scale of infrastructure loans that would be required to bring any sizable mining operations online, said Nick Crawford, a development economics researcher at the International Institute for Strategic Studies think tank. That’s especially true after Chinese investors got burned on a $3 billion copper mining project in Afghanistan, that started in 2007 and , largely because of challenges related to the lack of infrastructure.

If the Chinese spent $3 billion on copper mining and got nothing for it, what makes you think they'll do any better with lithium? It looks as if the Chinese would have to essentially re-build Afghan infratructure to get anywhere, which will likely be prohibitively expensive, even for them.

Boru

Especially for them, insomuch as it's already been shown to be prohibitively costly to us.  I don't want to deny chinas claim to fame, but a deeper wallet than the us isn't an item, it's not a thing.

(August 18, 2021 at 4:45 am)pocaracas Wrote: Where do the Taliban have the Lithium that China wants?

...they're hiding it in the same place that the valhallan future of the afghan people is kept.  Just this side of never and nowhere. Wink
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RE: The other problem with electric vehicles
A bit oversimplified, but sort of accurate what with how impossible it is to actually get it out of the ground. You remember that one episode of The Twilight Zone where the guy decides to go back in time and buy oil-rich land for $1 per acre, and then realises that the tools necessary to actually extract that oil won't be invented for another quarter century and he has a heart attack when he realises how much he's fucked himself over because he spent his entire fortune on land he can't exploit? Okay, maybe you don't, because "Of Late I Think of Cliffordville" was part of the fourth season, and nobody cares for the fourth season of The Twilight Zone, but it's basically the same situation, but instead of tools, it's an entire nation's infrastructure.
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