Stupid things religious people say

[The Architect Of Fate]

So then it's committing a crime and the punishment is the death penalty. 

Nope I don't regard it as a crime I don't think a fetus can commit a crime or that it's even a moral being nor is its removal a punishment as that implies it did something wrong which I don't think it's capable of as I view it as amoral . It's death it's simply the result of it's removal if one day it can be removed alive that would be optimal

If in the future anyone commits that crime against it, it has the right to carry out the same justice.

See above 

How barbaric, particularly when justices and juries are not involved and instead it is a multi-billion dollar business.

Nope it's not a matter of crime and punishment and yes abortion clinics are businesses in the current economic structure they would have to be. The only thing that's barbaric is the idea that women have no say over who lives inside them or if they stay pregnant that is  barbaric

[TheWhiteMarten]

Nope I don't regard it as a crime I don't think a fetus can commit a crime or that it's even a moral being nor is its removal a punishment as that implies it did something wrong which I don't think it's capable of as I view it as amoral .

In quite a few legal senses that is *by definition* a crime - chiefly, it violates the 1948 UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which while not legally binding in itself has seen 193 countries signed it in agreement over the core principles, finding them in line with their own legal and ethical codes.

Either the fetus is committing the literal, legal crime of infringement upon a woman's bodily autonomy (as protected against by the 14th Amendment in my country and multiple legal codes over the civilized world) or has committed the metaphorical, moral crime of infringing upon one of the most revolutionary and humanitarian documents to ever be drafted and accepted amongst all major human civilizations - the UN UDHR.

Either way, your solution is a death sentence - either a literal, legal death penalty against a criminal who has violated basic human rights or in a figurative, poetic sense of the act of abortion bringing about it's death.

The only thing that's barbaric is the idea that women have no say over who lives inside them or if they stay pregnant that is barbaric

Given that less than 3% of abortions are in instances of sexual violence, I have a hard time believing that 97% of women who get abortions are completely with out agency; that they are so braindead or otherwise incapacitated as to not understand that sex carries with it the possibility of pregnancy - the entire biological purpose of sex.

Despite what a few have lead me to believe, I don't believe women to truly be that ignorant and uneducated lol.

[The Architect Of Fate]

In quite a few legal senses that is *by definition* a crime - chiefly, it violates the 1948 UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which while not legally binding in itself has seen 193 countries signed it in agreement over the core principles, finding them in line with their own legal and ethical codes.

Either the fetus is committing the literal, legal crime of infringement upon a woman's bodily autonomy (as protected against by the 14th Amendment in my country and multiple legal codes over the civilized world) or has committed the metaphorical, moral crime of infringing upon one of the most revolutionary and humanitarian documents to ever be drafted and accepted amongst all major human civilizations - the UN UDHR.

Either way, your solution is a death sentence - either a literal, legal death penalty against a criminal who has violated basic human rights or in a figurative, poetic sense of the act of abortion bringing about it's death.

Nope a Fetus is not morally or legally liable for a crime  it's a completely Amoral entity nor is it's removal punishment nor is it's death a punishment that's simply a result of the removal if the removal could be done and the death avoided that would be perfect

(Do I also need to point out that just about every country has an age of legal liability and even international law does nobody could charge a fetus under any of the above nor would sane person hold a fetus morally culpable)

Given that less than 3% of abortions are in instances of sexual violence, I have a hard time believing that 97% of women who get abortions are completely with out agency; that they are so braindead or otherwise incapacitated as to not understand that sex carries with it the possibility of pregnancy - the entire biological purpose of sex.

It doesn't matter what circumstance lead to them becoming pregnant they have right to remove the fetus period  and agreeing  to sex is never agreeing  to pregnancy period and even if it was, she has the right reverse that choice also the purpose of sex is whatever the people having the sex decide the purpose of the interaction was about.

Despite what a few have lead me to believe, I don't believe women to truly be that ignorant and uneducated lol.

Their level of knowledge is irrelevant, no one has the right to keep them pregnant against their will

[The Architect Of Fate]

So lets sum up 

1. Life and Humanity are sufficient grounds to live inside another against their will  

2. A Fetus is neither liable or culpable for a crime and abortion is not a punishment death is a result of removal and if it could be avoided  during the removal that would be ideal 

3. Agreeing to sex is not agreeing to pregnancy unless the woman explicitly states the reason is to become pregnant and even then she is allowed to withdrawal that consent

[h4ym4n]

I understand; let me ask it a different way...

Why does a woman's right to bodily autonomy supersede the right to life of another human?

Why are the mother's rights more important than the rights of the child?

Maybe because the baby is being forced on the women against her free will? 

Free will is so important to you xians.

If your god gave me the free will choice to not be born or being born and hoping I’m a good enough boy while god hides from me, I’d take the option of not being born or being aborted. 

I’d be in paradise, no questions asked never to be eternally tortured. 

What would you choose @TheWhiteMarten if you indeed have free will?

[h4ym4n]

Because it's her body period no one has the right live inside her against her will. If the fetus grows up and ends up pregnant she/it will have the same right. It's not complicated

So then the child is committing a crime and the punishment is the death penalty. If in the future if a child commits a crime against it as an adult, it has the right to carry out the same justice.

How barbaric, especially when it's an extrajudicial killing that is also a multi-billion dollar industry.

No, that’s your god committing the murder since it knows in advance the baby will be aborted sending the soul of the baby directly to jesus in heaven.

What a deal!

[h4ym4n]

Nope I don't regard it as a crime I don't think a fetus can commit a crime or that it's even a moral being nor is its removal a punishment as that implies it did something wrong which I don't think it's capable of as I view it as amoral .

In quite a few legal senses that is *by definition* a crime - chiefly, it violates the 1948 UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which while not legally binding in itself has seen 193 countries signed it in agreement over the core principles, finding them in line with their own legal and ethical codes.

Either the fetus is committing the literal, legal crime of infringement upon a woman's bodily autonomy (as protected against by the 14th Amendment in my country and multiple legal codes over the civilized world) or has committed the metaphorical, moral crime of infringing upon one of the most revolutionary and humanitarian documents to ever be drafted and accepted amongst all major human civilizations - the UN UDHR.

Either way, your solution is a death sentence - either a literal, legal death penalty against a criminal who has violated basic human rights or in a figurative, poetic sense of the act of abortion bringing about it's death.

The only thing that's barbaric is the idea that women have no say over who lives inside them or if they stay pregnant that is  barbaric

Given that less than 3% of abortions are in instances of sexual violence, I have a hard time believing that 97% of women who get abortions are completely with out agency; that they are so braindead or otherwise incapacitated as to not understand that sex carries with it the possibility of pregnancy - the entire biological purpose of sex.

Despite what a few have lead me to believe, I don't believe women to truly be that ignorant and uneducated lol.

God could have made abortion impossible like it making it impossible for humans to breath underwater, right?

If abortion is evil then god admitted it created evil. It says so in its instruction book.

[Sheldon]

In quite a few legal senses that is *by definition* a crime - chiefly, it violates the 1948 UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which while not legally binding in itself has seen 193 countries signed it in agreement over the core principles, finding them in line with their own legal and ethical codes.

Either the fetus is committing the literal, legal crime of infringement upon a woman's bodily autonomy (as protected against by the 14th Amendment in my country and multiple legal codes over the civilized world) or has committed the metaphorical, moral crime of infringing upon one of the most revolutionary and humanitarian documents to ever be drafted and accepted amongst all major human civilizations - the UN UDHR.

Either way, your solution is a death sentence - either a literal, legal death penalty against a criminal who has violated basic human rights or in a figurative, poetic sense of the act of abortion bringing about it's death.


Given that less than 3% of abortions are in instances of sexual violence, I have a hard time believing that 97% of women who get abortions are completely with out agency; that they are so braindead or otherwise incapacitated as to not understand that sex carries with it the possibility of pregnancy - the entire biological purpose of sex.

Despite what a few have lead me to believe, I don't believe women to truly be that ignorant and uneducated lol.

God could have made abortion impossible like it making it impossible for humans to breath underwater, right?

If abortion is evil then god admitted it created evil. It says so in its instruction book.

Fucking parasitic leaches, fuck em, if a woman wants that freeloader gone that's fine, and I don't care if it's in there reading fucking poetry, it's her body, and everyone needs to get the fuck over it. Fucking snowflake theists, cry me a fucking river...

Too much? 

Oh and how much of a moron do you have to be, whitesupremacistmartens, to imagine abortion involves a fucking child? 

"In 2021, just under half (44.8%) of reported abortions (in the US) occurred within the first six weeks"

This is a blastocyst at 6 weeks, does it look like a fucking child?

[arewethereyet]

It's pretty simple for most people to understand.  A child fetus cannot survive without the mother.  The mother can most likely survive without the fetus, given other health issues aren't involved.  It ain't rocket surgery.

[brewer]

When discussing abortion using the term 'murder' is a false equivalence and appeal to emotion fallacy. It's use is not based in reason or logic.

(Insert witty snap-back about your ignorance of the English language or something, idk)

Ad homs out of the way, yes - arguing that children should not be murdered *is* an appeal to emotion, but to call that a fallacy is... something? I don't know if it's irrational, but certainly on the edge of unwittingly immoral.

If you want a logical reason as to why murder of children is wrong I'm gladly willing to cite the depression rates, drug abuse, poverty levels, and other issues amongst women who have had abortions vs. those who haven't.

As expected, further down the drain. I think the kids call this swirling.