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An infinite progress
#81
RE: An infinite progress
(September 8, 2021 at 1:37 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 8, 2021 at 1:29 pm)Spongebob Wrote: And that is completely irrelevant to what I said.
No, it's relevant. You said you rejected religion, and then, some time later, rejected the idea of God. For an atheist, rejecting religion will always lead to rejecting the idea of God. But it doesn't have to be that way.

Do you have short term memory issues?  Go back and re-read you last few posts and then read my responses.  You claimed that atheists were raised without religion, therefore they don't believe.  I refuted that.  Then you abruptly changed the subject and said you don't have to belong to a religion to believe in god.  That's a completely and totally unconnected, irrelevant statement.  It's called moving the goal posts.  When someone successfully refutes your statement, you just move over a bit and change the argument.  It's embarrassing.

Example:  

Bill:  Hey, Joe, those Giants don't have good quarterback.  They're gonna stink this year!

Joe:  They actually drafted a top QB from Alabama and he's looking good in practice.

Bill:  I hear the Giants changed their uniforms.  Who would want to watch them now?
Why is it so?
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#82
RE: An infinite progress
(September 8, 2021 at 1:44 pm)Spongebob Wrote:
(September 8, 2021 at 1:37 pm)Ahriman Wrote: No, it's relevant. You said you rejected religion, and then, some time later, rejected the idea of God. For an atheist, rejecting religion will always lead to rejecting the idea of God. But it doesn't have to be that way.

Do you have short term memory issues?  Go back and re-read you last few posts and then read my responses.  You claimed that atheists were raised without religion, therefore they don't believe.  I refuted that.  Then you abruptly changed the subject and said you don't have to belong to a religion to believe in god.  That's a completely and totally unconnected, irrelevant statement.  It's called moving the goal posts.  When someone successfully refutes your statement, you just move over a bit and change the argument.  It's embarrassing.

Example:  

Bill:  Hey, Joe, those Giants don't have good quarterback.  They're gonna stink this year!

Joe:  They actually drafted a top QB from Alabama and he's looking good in practice.

Bill:  I hear the Giants changed their uniforms.  Who would want to watch them now?
Uh huh. But why do you, personally, not believe in God, despite (supposedly) being religious for much of your life?
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#83
RE: An infinite progress
(September 8, 2021 at 1:37 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 8, 2021 at 1:29 pm)Spongebob Wrote: And that is completely irrelevant to what I said.
No, it's relevant. You said you rejected religion, and then, some time later, rejected the idea of God. For an atheist, rejecting religion will always lead to rejecting the idea of God. But it doesn't have to be that way.

That is teleological.  Many people reject their religion but settle into a different one.  The very thing that defines and atheist is one who does not settle into a new religion, but rejects them all.  Still not at all relevant to my posts.

(September 8, 2021 at 1:52 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Uh huh. But why do you, personally, not believe in God, despite (supposedly) being religious for much of your life?

I rejected my religion because there were too many inconsistencies and contradictions between the believers and the teachings and the real world.  As I explored other religions, I began to see a pattern.  The more I learn, the more I see the pattern.  Religion was created by humans.  God was created by humans.  God is just something humans made up to explain things.  Religion is something powerful people created to control people.  Looking back, it didn't really take too much deep thinking to make the leap.  The biggest obstacle were the layers of emotional baggage piled on me by my family and fellow church Christians, even the whole community.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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#84
RE: An infinite progress
(September 8, 2021 at 1:17 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 8, 2021 at 1:14 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Fact is that children of pagan parents grew up polytheistic; during the Middle Ages, many pagans who converted to Christianity ended up converting back to their former paganism.
What does that prove?

People embrace the religion that they are raised in.
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#85
RE: An infinite progress
(September 8, 2021 at 2:37 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(September 8, 2021 at 1:17 pm)Ahriman Wrote: What does that prove?

People embrace the religion that they are raised in.
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#86
RE: An infinite progress
(September 8, 2021 at 1:37 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 8, 2021 at 1:29 pm)Spongebob Wrote: And that is completely irrelevant to what I said.
No, it's relevant. You said you rejected religion, and then, some time later, rejected the idea of God. For an atheist, rejecting religion will always lead to rejecting the idea of God. But it doesn't have to be that way.

Always? Methinks thou dost protest too much. I'd ask for citations except that I know that this, like all your claims, came straight from your ass.
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#87
RE: An infinite progress
I was "sent" to church until I reached the age of reason (in my case about 12 years old) then I realised that what they were telling me made no sense and was contradictory, since then the only times I have been in a church have been for funerals (and had a hard time not rolling my eyes or saying something that might upset people that I liked)
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#88
RE: An infinite progress
(September 8, 2021 at 2:52 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(September 8, 2021 at 1:37 pm)Ahriman Wrote: No, it's relevant. You said you rejected religion, and then, some time later, rejected the idea of God. For an atheist, rejecting religion will always lead to rejecting the idea of God. But it doesn't have to be that way.

Always?  Methinks thou dost protest too much.  I'd ask for citations except that I know that this, like all your claims, came straight from your ass.
In an atheist's mind, rejecting religion and rejecting the idea of God, are the same thing.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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#89
RE: An infinite progress
(September 8, 2021 at 2:57 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 8, 2021 at 2:52 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Always?  Methinks thou dost protest too much.  I'd ask for citations except that I know that this, like all your claims, came straight from your ass.
In an atheist's mind, rejecting religion and rejecting the idea of God, are the same thing.

As if that meant anything profound.  Can you grow a brain so you sound somewhat coherent?  I'm pretty sure you're only 12 years old.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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#90
RE: An infinite progress
(September 8, 2021 at 3:08 pm)Spongebob Wrote:
(September 8, 2021 at 2:57 pm)Ahriman Wrote: In an atheist's mind, rejecting religion and rejecting the idea of God, are the same thing.

As if that meant anything profound.  Can you grow a brain so you sound somewhat coherent?  I'm pretty sure you're only 12 years old.
So profound.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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