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Need some help.
#21
RE: Need some help.
(September 19, 2021 at 4:07 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: The fundamental difference in belief?

Confirmation bias and a general lack of critical thinking.
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#22
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(September 17, 2021 at 5:29 pm)mrunk1975 Wrote: So I only just recently walked away from the Bible and God. While I've come across enough information to lead me to believe The bible isn't true and that there no God. I'm try to separate fact from fiction. Mostly from a historical point of view.

So question I have is there any good books that you guys would recommend on this subject? I hope what I'm asking makes sense.

Welcome aboard!

To separate fact from fiction, simply assume that magic (aka miracles, including apparitions and divine communication) is fiction and work from there.


If you want something more concrete, I'd recommend you read something that improves your critical thinking... but you can find that online.

Then read The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism, by Edward Feser and try to figure out where he goes wrong. Do keep in mind that many thinkers and philosophers have looked at the arguments presented in this book and found nothing wrong.
He basically describes the so-called "god of the philosophers" (in a very believable way) and then says that you can use a bit of faith in the ancients (writers, but also the masses of people who influenced those writers and accompanying believers) and equate it to the Christian god. This was Thomas Aquinas (1225 - 1274) contribution to the Catholic faith and still is a strong pillar for the logic behind the belief.
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#23
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(September 19, 2021 at 4:07 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(September 19, 2021 at 1:07 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Wow, some people sound like they are stuck in 1950s.

Also, why is Bible better than Qur'an or Bhagavad Gita?

The "good ole" 1950's would be before my time... so - science fiction. I don't own a DeLorean. Smile

What is true, believe it or not, is the Scripture I quoted earlier, "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12, "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17


"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." - John 6:63

"for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21

That's the difference in principle and practice/reality between the Holy Bible and other books you mention. 

The fundamental difference in belief? - "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12 - that is, the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - the Living Word. 


^^^^^^ This is only "evidence" that you like what you believe. It is NOT evidence that the book is reliable in any historical or scientific context.

Religion is like waiting at the DMV, get in line take a number, you are not special.
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#24
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It might be too heavy a read, but it gave me the tools I needed to examine my beliefs, Atheism: The Case Against God by George Smith. I didn't really understand what atheism was until I read it. You could probably find it as a free PDF.
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#25
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(September 19, 2021 at 12:29 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the ]evidence of[]seen" - Hebrews 11:1

You do realise that this is the author(s) of that particular passage admitting that there's nothing backing up their religion, right? It's not that hard to spot.
The great appear great because we are on our knees. Let us rise!
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#26
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Is 4 days long enough to classify this one as a drive by?
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#27
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(September 21, 2021 at 6:35 am)brewer Wrote: Is 4 days long enough to classify this one as a drive by?

I think so. I had a feeling about this one from the start. Just didn't have enough to flush them.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#28
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(September 20, 2021 at 10:30 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(September 19, 2021 at 4:07 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: The "good ole" 1950's would be before my time... so - science fiction. I don't own a DeLorean. Smile

What is true, believe it or not, is the Scripture I quoted earlier, "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12, "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17


"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." - John 6:63

"for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21

That's the difference in principle and practice/reality between the Holy Bible and other books you mention. 

The fundamental difference in belief? - "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12 - that is, the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - the Living Word. 


^^^^^^ This is only "evidence" that you like what you believe. It is NOT evidence that the book is reliable in any historical or scientific context.

Religion is like waiting at the DMV, get in line take a number, you are not special.

No, religion is like imagining that the DMV was brought into existence just for you and that anyone who goes to a different DMV should have their driving privileges revoked.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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(September 18, 2021 at 8:05 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(September 17, 2021 at 5:29 pm)mrunk1975 Wrote: While I've come across enough information to lead me to believe The bible isn't true and that there no God. I'm try to separate fact from fiction. Mostly from a historical point of view.

It's all fiction



So, Jesus existed according to your expert. That's indisputable.

Whether you believe His claim or not doesn't matter.... 

It's agreed on, and not denied that no one who has ever lived
has had: the following, the words and the miracles that Jesus has had
attributed to Him. He was profoundly; Truthful, spiritual and loving.

And none of it to Glorify Himself. Only God. 

What more does one need to know?  

Now, the question is: do you believe He is the Son of God?

If yes, then you are a Christian. If no, you are just denying God.
Quis ut Deus?
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#30
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(September 24, 2021 at 1:11 pm)ronedee Wrote:
(September 18, 2021 at 8:05 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: It's all fiction



So, Jesus existed according to your expert. That's indisputable.

Whether you believe His claim or not doesn't matter.... 

It's agreed on, and not denied that no one who has ever lived
has had: the following, the words and the miracles that Jesus has had
attributed to Him. He was profoundly; Truthful, spiritual and loving.

And none of it to Glorify Himself. Only God. 

So, then, he wasn't God?
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