Jesus had no parents

[The Grand Nudger]

As we all know, there is the entire deal about Joseph not having sex with Mary to make Jesus and perhaps the reason for that is that ancient people regarded sex as something dirty.

So, they have decided that Jesus’s birth is a magical thing.
Is it possible that ancient jews believed that the woman just plays the role of a box, an incubator, a uterus? I don’t think they were aware about the egg that mammal females have.
Perhaps they believed that the children are 100% that of the father.

So perhaps, Jesus is not a half human-half god thing for the ancient christians.

That is what they believed about kids, yes - but, the reason that jesus birth is a magical thing was to fulfill a misinterpretation of a jewish prophecy.  

Sex was regarded as dirty because of a sub-current of gnostic belief, people who felt that they were trapped here in this prison world in their prison bodies, sex being the prime example of the filthiness of flesh.

There where alot of things that jesus became that jesus wasn't to the first jesusists. You can blame paul™ and the gentiles for that. Heaven, hell, immortal souls, demigod saviors. All that noise was service to a target market.

[Ferrocyanide]

The most developed lifeform in which parthenogenesis (virgin birth) occurs naturally is the domesticated turkey. It has never been observed to occur naturally in mammals, although it has been done in the lab. Since any such progeny in mammals would lack any possibility of a Y chromosome, all parthenogenically-produced mammals would be female. Therefore, Jesus was either a woman or a turkey.

Suck on THAT, god-botherers.

Boru

I do remember reading in National Geographic about a certain snake reproducing this way in the desert. That was 30 y ago.
I immediately thought of the Jesus story.
Some funny things happen when you try to combine religion with science :  young earth creationism and their hydroplate “theory”,
their volcanic explosion that blew animals to other continents. LOL.

[Brian37]

As we all know, there is the entire deal about Joseph not having sex with Mary to make Jesus and perhaps the reason for that is that ancient people regarded sex as something dirty.

So, they have decided that Jesus’s birth is a magical thing.
Is it possible that ancient jews believed that the woman just plays the role of a box, an incubator, a uterus? I don’t think they were aware about the egg that mammal females have.
Perhaps they believed that the children are 100% that of the father.

So perhaps, Jesus is not a half human-half god thing for the ancient christians.

I used to believe that myth as a kid. But once I started learning about human biology I knew that myth was impossible in reality.

[Ferrocyanide]

As we all know, there is the entire deal about Joseph not having sex with Mary to make Jesus and perhaps the reason for that is that ancient people regarded sex as something dirty.

So, they have decided that Jesus’s birth is a magical thing.
Is it possible that ancient jews believed that the woman just plays the role of a box, an incubator, a uterus? I don’t think they were aware about the egg that mammal females have.
Perhaps they believed that the children are 100% that of the father.

So perhaps, Jesus is not a half human-half god thing for the ancient christians.

That is what they believed about kids, yes - but, the reason that jesus birth is a magical thing was to fulfill a misinterpretation of a jewish prophecy.  

Sex was regarded as dirty because of a sub-current of gnostic belief, people who felt that they were trapped here in this prison world in their prison bodies, sex being the prime example of the filthiness of flesh.

There where alot of things that jesus became that jesus wasn't to the first jesusists.  You can blame paul™ and the gentiles for that.  Heaven, hell, immortal souls, demigod saviors.  All that noise was service to a target market.

Which prophecy? I know that there is a line about the messiah and that he  is suppose to be from the line of David and Solomon.

Matthew 1:1 gives a long list of begats and claims that Jesus is the son of Joseph and so, Jesus is from the line of David and Solomon.
Luke 3.23 does the same thing. The lists given by Matthew and Luke are not the same.
But Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:27 claim that it was a virgin birth, therefore, Joseph is not the father.

Mark makes no such list. Mark does not mention the father of Jesus but does mention Mary. It mentions that James, Joses, Juda are Jesus’s brother and that Jesus has sisters.
There isn’t anything about a virgin birth in Mark.

John 1:44 mentions that the father of Jesus is Joseph.
John 6:42 mentions that the father of Jesus is Joseph.
John doesn’t name the mother of Jesus.
There isn’t anything about a virgin birth in John.


This gives me evidence that christianity is a merged religion of 2 or more sects. One group wanted Joseph to be the father bc of the OT line about the messiah being in the line of David and Solomon.
Another group disliked the idea of sex.

Yes, I have noticed that a portion of the books are from Paul.


New Testament
1. Matt. Matthew
2.  Mark Mark
3.  Luke Luke
4.  John John
5.  Acts Acts == The Acts of the Apostles
6.  Rom. Romans == The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans
7.  1 Cor. 1 Corinthians == The First Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Corinthians
8.  2 Cor. 2 Corinthians == The Second Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Corinthians
9.  Gal. Galatians == The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Galatians
10.  Eph. Ephesians == The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Ephesians
11.  Philip. Philippians == The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Philippians
12.  Col. Colossians == The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Colossians
13.  1 Thes. 1 Thessalonians == The First Epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians
14.  2 Thes. 2 Thessalonians == The Second Epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians
15.  1 Tim. 1 Timothy == The First Epistle of Paul the Apostle to Timothy
16.  2 Tim. 2 Timothy == The Second Epistle of Paul the Apostle to Timothy
17.  Titus Titus == The Epistle of Paul to Titus
18.  Philem. Philemon == The Epistle of Paul to Philemon
19.  Heb. Hebrews == The Epistle to the Hebrews
20.  James James == The General Epistle of James
21.  1 Pet. 1 Peter == The First Epistle General of Peter
22.  2 Pet. 2 Peter == The Second Epistle General of Peter
23.  1 Jn. 1 John == The First Epistle General of John
24.  2 Jn. 2 John == The Second Epistle General of John
25.  3 Jn. 3 John == The Third Epistle General of John
26.  Jude Jude == The General Epistle of Jude
27.  Rev. Revelation == The Revelation of St. John the Divine


13 of the 27 (#6 to #18) books are from Paul the Roman in the New testament. That’s 48%.
Probably, some more of it is from him as well.

[Ranjr]

Paul makes no mention of Jesus life in terms of his sayings, miracles, place of birth, or events of the gospels.  Apologists respond that Paul was giving spiritual advice through his letters and expected his audience to already know the tales of Mark.  Sceptics ask what better advise than Jesus' own teachings?  And add that gentiles in Paul's audience would be unlikely to know the story and teachings of Jesus, especially since Mark was written after the letters of Paul.

[The Grand Nudger]

Samuel, isaiah, and jeremiah.

The notion that a virgin will give birth and that this person will be the davidic successor in the flesh to reinstate god's kingdom on earth. Yes, there are two, the point of both being to place jesus in that line of succession. We think that mark left it out because both were troublesome, even then. Hell...by that point, they weren't really required anymore..either. They were no longer jews. Apocalyptic jews still existed, and they were still waiting for the hebrew hammer to be born so they could curbstomp the rest of us and install a permanent davidic theocracy. None of that, btw, was going to be a good pitch to a gentile...but, to a very interesting extent, it's actually what paul™ believed. Jesus being raised was an indication that the promised end of the world had come, and the beginning of the next, on earth, immediately. He was..effectively, expecting a great battle to be fought in his life - and he knew the winner...and that's who's side he'd be on.

-but, again, the sex thing ...not really. The filthiness of flesh in general was not an idea that they came up with - it was something that their target market already believed. They were pitching christianity to gnostics and stoics. The kindgom had not come, and would be in another world, a purer world. The world of greek myth..full of immortal souls being rewarded and punished - an alien concept to jesus-the-real-boy or the ot. Not at all what the ot prophecies were referring to.

[Ferrocyanide]

13 of the 27 (#6 to #18) books are from Paul the Roman in the New testament. That’s 48%.
Probably, some more of it is from him as well.

Also, that should be Paul the jew.
I can't find the edit button otherwise, I would change it.

[Brian37]

The NT books cant even agree on linage. One line here, another line there.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

13 of the 27 (#6 to #18) books are from Paul the Roman in the New testament. That’s 48%.
Probably, some more of it is from him as well.

Also, that should be Paul the jew.
I can't find the edit button otherwise, I would change it.

He was both, no conflict.

Boru

[Ferrocyanide]

The NT books cant even agree on linage. One line here, another line there.

Yes, I have it here.


The book of Matthew says
1. Abraham
2. Isaac
3. Jacob
4. Judas
5. Phares
6. Esrom
7. Aram
8. Aminadab
9. Naasson
10. Salmon
11. Booz of Rachab
12. Obed of Ruth
13. Jesse
14. David
15. Solomon
16. Roboam
17. Abia
18. Asa
19. Josaphat
20. Joram
21. Ozias
22. Joatham
23. Achaz
24. Ezekias
25. Manasses
26. Amon
27. Josias
28. Jechonias
29. Salathiel
30. Zorobabel
31. Abiud
32. Eliakim
33. Azor
34. Sadoc
35. Achim
36. Eliud
37. Eleazar
38. Matthan
39. Jacob
40. Joseph
41. Jesus

The book of Luke says
1. Abraham
2. Isaac
3. Jacob
4. Juda
5. Phares
6. Esrom
7. Aram
8. Aminadab
9. Naasson
10. Salmon
11. Booz
12. Obed
13. Jesse
14. David
15. Nathan
16. Mattatha
17. Menan
18. Jonan
19. Joseph
20. Juda
21. Simeon
22. Levi
23. Matthat
24. Jorim
25. Jose
26. Er
27. Elmodam
28. Cosam
29. Addi
30. Melchi
31. Neri
32. Salathiel
33. Zorobabel
34. Rhesa
35. Joanna
36. Juda
37. Joseph
38. Semei
39. Mattathias
40. Maath
41. Nagge
42. Esli
43. Naum
44. Amos
45. Mattathias
46. Joseph
47. Janna
48. Melchi
49. Levi
50. Matthat
51. Heli
52. Joseph
53. Jesus