[Serious] That Trans Thread

[Rev. Rye]

I think I've achieved what I wanted to. You have all shown that your meaning for gender is totally objective and unscientific. To support your agenda, you are trying to push a made-up definition for gender. Either that or God has enlightened you.

It comes down to monism, the dominant scientific perspective that brains give rise to minds; no brain, no mind.  When your brain dies, you cease to exist.  No afterlife; death is an endless, dreamers sleep.

With this perspective in mind, some biological men have brains that are more typical of biological women than they are of their sex at birth.  In other words, brains can be gendered, which means that a biological man or woman can have a mind that is not that of their biological sex.

You do not have to agree with monism (I suspect that you, as a professing Christian, do not), but this is the perspective of modern science.

And here's a source for the "trans brains being closer to their identified gender than their biological sex" thing. And here's another. And Yet Another.

And for the record, Lek, you consider the social constructivist idea of gender totally unscientific. The thing is, even if you're equating gender with sex (which is fallacious), even that's not quite as clear as you'd like to think. According to Rebecca Jordan-Young, a biologist who recently wrote a book about testosterone, "There are at least six different biological markers of “sex” in the body: genitals, chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive structures, hormone ratios and secondary sex characteristics. None of the six is strictly dichotomous, and the different markers don’t always align." And, believe it or not, this view is more common than you'd think among biologists.

[arewethereyet]

^But gawd said....Adam and Eve...full stop.

Lek's gonna Lek.

[Rev. Rye]

For just one example of how those biological markers of sex don’t always align, here’s a concrete example:



You’d probably guess the person singing this song is all woman. Do you assume her karotype would be 46XX, like most women? It’s actually 46XY like most men. And, bear in mind, Eden Atwood is not a man in drag, and she’s not transgender. Thing is, she has a disorder that makes her body immune to the effects of testosterone. It’s called Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. I use the pronoun “she”, because that’s how she identifies. That’s how she’s lived her life all these years.

Here’s an interview she gave of the subject:




And here’s a more famous, but fictional example of the same condition:



(Note: it should probably go without saying that, as brilliant a doctor as House is, his attitude is not one should adopt.)

It’s worth noting that, in the intervening years since that episode of House aired, the estimate of its incidence grew to be closer to 1 in 20,000 than 1 in 150,000, so that makes something along the lines of 400,000 people on the planet who are like this. Indeed, many might not even know about it until there’s some medical issue that makes them discover it. And this isn’t even the only way those markers for sex can misalign. Indeed, the current estimate is that 1.7% of births have some intersex traits, and 0.5% of people have clinically identifiable sexual/reproductive variations.

If you see someone balking at you when you claim that sex or gender is down to one thing, Eden Atwood is a good example for understanding why.

[Lek]

I've listened to what you've all said. I've had my say and honestly, I wish you all the best.

[Jehanne]

I've listened to what you've all said. I've had my say and honestly, I wish you all the best.

Are you leaving AF?

[Lek]

No. Just leaving this issue.

[Angrboda]

[Jehanne]

No. Just leaving this issue.

That's good. We need more topics here.

[TaraJo]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/20...ta-paxton/

This is actually kinda scary. For a state this homophobic, this transphobic, for them to start gathering info on transgender people and the trans-hate is so strong within the republican party, this could go really bad really fast.

[Jehanne]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/20...ta-paxton/

This is actually kinda scary. For a state this homophobic, this transphobic, for them to start gathering info on transgender people and the trans-hate is so strong within the republican party, this could go really bad really fast.

Paywall.