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Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
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RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
(November 18, 2021 at 10:59 pm)Foxaire Wrote: The irony of referring to obvious works of fiction as historical is lost on theists.

 Indeed.

A few years ago, I was on a history forum.  Didn't realise it was based in Cairo.    All I did was to opine that the Quran is not a history book. Pickle me grandmother! Those bastards were fucking nuts!  I mean who makes death  threats on an internet forum?   I decided it might be prudent to get out of Dodge, and I did, immediately. Cool
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RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
(November 18, 2021 at 6:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(November 18, 2021 at 11:33 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: The combination of megalomania and narcissism?  A desire to portray how he would like himself to be seen as an objective authoritative fact rather than a mere claim?   That an hagiographic account of a person known to be very full of himself is written in the third person is certainly no strong evidence that he didn’t write it himself.   Caesar for example wrote of himself consistently in the third person in the Commentarii de Bello Gullico.

And yet Paul was a megalomaniac narcissist of the first water and wrote his Epistles in the first person.

Boru

Different flavor of megalomania.
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#23
RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
(November 19, 2021 at 4:50 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(November 18, 2021 at 6:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And yet Paul was a megalomaniac narcissist of the first water and wrote his Epistles in the first person.

Boru

Different flavor of megalomania.

Innit great to be able to re-define words to try to bolster a failed argument?  Jerkoff

Boru
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RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
(November 18, 2021 at 11:08 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:
(November 18, 2021 at 10:59 pm)Foxaire Wrote: The irony of referring to obvious works of fiction as historical is lost on theists.

 Indeed.

A few years ago, I was on a history forum.  Didn't realise it was based in Cairo.    All I did was to opine that the Quran is not a history book. Pickle me grandmother! Those bastards were fucking nuts!  I mean who makes death  threats on an internet forum?   I decided it might be prudent to get out of Dodge, and I did, immediately. Cool

(bold mine)

New to the internet, are you? Smile

Boru
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RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
(November 19, 2021 at 4:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(November 19, 2021 at 4:50 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Different flavor of megalomania.

Innit great to be able to re-define words to try to bolster a failed argument?  Jerkoff

Boru

Really, in what way did the argument fail?
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RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?




This is actual footage. It is doubtful that such a graceless, untalented, insignificant plodder had anything to to with the beautiful inerrant word of the magnificent almighty.
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RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
(November 18, 2021 at 10:27 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:
(November 18, 2021 at 7:51 pm)Angrboda Wrote: What do you want to bet that Paul wasn't circumcised?

Nothing. I'll give you 10:1 that he was.   Paul was born into a devout Jewish family. He was brought up by Gamaliel, a leading authority in the Sanhedrin. Most unlikely that he would not have been circumcised at 8 days, according to custom and law.  (Circumcision is seen as ratifying God's covenant with Abraham to make the Jews his chosen people)

That's acts, fiction. Textual critics have long doubted pauls backstory (as in, specifically "genuine pauls").

It's a theme with magic book. It wasn't written by the people alleged to have written it, and the people who did write it were rarely who or what they claimed to be.
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RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
11th Commandment: Thou shalt not infer causation from correlation.
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RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
(November 18, 2021 at 10:53 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:
(November 18, 2021 at 10:34 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: Absofuckinglutely not.

 Just so. Apart from the fact that the Torah was written about 700 years after Moses is claimed to have lived (during the reign of Ramses The Great, 1303-1213 bce)

 The best argument against Moses writing well, anything, is perhaps that recent archaeology has shown the  Exodus almost certainly never happened and consequently, Moses almost  certainly did not exist.

I always liked the abandonment of Armona after the death of Akhenaten as opposed to Ramesses II for a origin of the Exodos story. As far as Moses himself goes the story of Sargon the Great was borrowed from heavily to create the Moses narrative.
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RE: Did Moses really write the first few books of the bible?
(November 19, 2021 at 4:56 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(November 18, 2021 at 11:08 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:  Indeed.

A few years ago, I was on a history forum.  Didn't realise it was based in Cairo.    All I did was to opine that the Quran is not a history book. Pickle me grandmother! Those bastards were fucking nuts!  I mean who makes death  threats on an internet forum?   I decided it might be prudent to get out of Dodge, and I did, immediately. Cool

(bold mine)

New to the internet, are you? Smile

Boru

 I first went on line in 1999. Began lurking around forums in about 2002. Atheist forums around 2005.  I have only received one death threat so far. But then I've never been on Twitter or similar.  I only accept people I have actually met on Facebook.  Only been on Facebook since June this year. I have three friends.

Perhaps I may be a bit more cautious/paranoid than some. Cool
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