Can America ever truly pay for its sins?

[The Grand Nudger]

-and there we go again, not the argument that you're not a white supremacist, but the argument that white supremacists aren't wrong.

Fucking idiot......

[ToTheMoon]

-and there we go again, not the argument that you're not a white supremacist, but the argument that white supremacists aren't wrong.

Fucking idiot......

How does one refute an unfalsifiable hypothesis?

There's nothing I can say to convince you otherwise apart from renouncing all my views and completely agreeing with you. If I admit to being a racist, point proven for you, if I say I am not, you will just misconstrue it as me trying to hide my alleged racism. It's a ridiculous game and I'm not trying to win an election so I don't need to prove shit to you.

If you think I'm a racist and it helps you sleep better at night, continue believing that, you can even make it your new "religion" in case you miss it. We're well past the point where one side convincing the other is realistic, this mainly a show now for other readers.

[The Grand Nudger]

No ones talking about any unfalsifiable hypothesis. I laid out the five pillars of white supremacy very plainly....and you very explictly told us how all of them were true.

Go fuck yourself. Garbage commie russo romanian...what the actual fuck....? What's wrong with you? Do we need a doll or something....?

[ToTheMoon]

No ones talking about any unfalsifiable hypothesis.  I laid out the five pillars of white supremacy very plainly....and you very explictly told us how all of them were true.

Go fuck yourself. Garbage commie russo romanian...what the actual fuck....?  What's wrong with you?  Do we need a doll or something....?

And I reject that those pillars are unique to "white supremacy". I reject your expansion of the meaning of "white supremacy" as a cheap attempt to try to lump mainstream conservatives and even non-woke liberals to actual racists.

You continue to provide no refutation of most my points and just resort to generic ad hominems. All talk, no evidence, no proof.


Also, you're a joke and a racist (prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized).


This is getting way out of hand so I'll only say this for the rest of the readers: Racism is bad but the progressive left is not the answer to racism, they are not qualified to fix any of it, they are incompetent, many are not even well-intentioned. You're going to get some very very disappointing results going forward if you let these people control the narrative. Bookmark this comment and come back in 10 years. If the far left views on race gain traction, race relations will get a whole lot worse not better.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, I'm part of the conspiracy to make you sound like a racist by getting you to argue that the five pillars of white supremacy are true. We're brilliant like that.



There's a simpler explanation than whatever nonsense you have running through your spider brain right now -and it's that you've been consuming white supremacist propaganda. What are you gonna do about that?

[ToTheMoon]

Yeah, I'm part of the conspiracy to make you sound like a racist by getting you to argue that the five pillars of white supremacy are true.  We're brilliant like that.



There's a simpler explanation than whatever nonsense you have running through your spider brain right now -and it's that you've been consuming white supremacist propaganda.  What are you gonna do about that?

The first step would probably be to stop listening to you. You are a confirmed racist (clearly antagonistic to Russians, Romanians and probably more than just those two) so I wouldn't want you to influence me.

Don't take that as a personal attack, I'm just trying to put into practice what you told me.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, that tracks...when confronted with the reality of your positions, you feel that the thing to do would be to avoid anyone who brought that to your attention. That's how the ideology protects itself. There's an ignore button, you can hit it..or just not respond. I'm still trying to work out whether there's some shred of human decency left in you and you keep up this back and forth with me as a sort of life preserver, or if you're just new to the whole cryptoracist song and dance. If it's the latter, for future reference...you never ever want to argue that white supremacy is true when you're trying to convince people that you're not a white supremacist, as you try to convince people that the thing to do about race and racism in the us is whatever the white supremacists tell you.

It's a non starter..and a waste of potential, as, again, if you played it right, you'd find alot of sympathetic ears. When you argue that white supremacy is true it sets off internal alarms for people..people who would absolutely, like you, accept that the five pillars of white supremacy are true..so long as you never give them the opportunity to make the connection. I guess it takes time to learn how to walk that line. I fucked it up alot when I first got started recruiting, so..you know, keep at it, you'll improve.

[ToTheMoon]

Yeah, that tracks...when confronted with the reality of your positions, you feel that the thing to do would be to avoid anyone who brought that to your attention.  That's how the ideology protects itself.

You have yet to confront my positions on any serious level. Genetic fallacies* don't count as an argument. Neither does making shit up i.e. the so-called "5 pillars of white supremacy".

* It's good political rethoric I guess, I'm not a politician so that bullshit doesn't work with me

EDIT: Thanks for reminding me that there's an ignore option.

[The Grand Nudger]

Enjoy...
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20832074

In this paper, I examine the ideology of white supremacists and separatists, which portrays Whites as "victims." I first review several convergences in the recent literature on white supremacist discourse. I argue that the "victim ideology" has been discussed frequently, but generally only in passing, and in the service of other arguments. Following the approach to victimology suggested by Holstein and Miller (1990) I present an empirical constructionist analysis of these "victim claims," breaking them down into five themes — (1) discrimination, (2) rights abrogations, (3) stigmatization and the denial of pride, (4) loss of self-esteem, and (5) racial elimination. I conclude with some comments on the theoretical and social role of this ideology, and its use as a recruiting tool for the contemporary white supremacist and separatist movement.

It's almost as if people have been studying this stuff for years..or something.

I already told you I wouldn't be wasting any time arguing with you over whether or not the five pillars of white supremacy are true. If you wanted to have that convo...you'd have to reach down and find the courage of your convictions - make a thread called "why I think white supremacist rhetoric is just a fact" - or whatever. In my experience, people who can't own their own bullshit aren't really capable of debating said bullshit.

Frank and open racists are respectable in ways that cagey racists just aren't, imo - but that might be a product of my upbringing. If you're gonna do it, then do it right, and right out in the open..right?

[ToTheMoon]

That's not an impartial source and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Plenty of other traits can be said to be common to white supremacists. For instance, they appear to be largely socially conservative, but not every social conservative is a white supremacist. They are nationalists, not every nationalist is a white supremacist. I doubt any of them like illegal immigration, not everyone who opposes illegal immigration is a white supremacist. From what I've seen American white supremacists really hate communism, but frankly everyone with both a brain and a sense of justice should hate communism. They tend to be pro-guns, but again not everyone who's pro-guns is a white supremacist. They seem to have a thing for states rights (in the USA at least, in Europe I guess they would be anti-EU), not everyone like that is a white supremacist.

And it's a stretch to say I agree with 4 out of 5 pillars when in some cases I merely agree with some points, depending on how they're formulated. I've shown you the numbers from a reputable source (unless you think the FBI is full of white supremacists making numbers up which would be a very far-fetched conspiracy theory) and you cannot credibly claim that there is no discrimination against whites for being white. You cannot claim that reparations do not amount to a net transfer of wealth from whites to blacks, if you dispute that show me the numbers, but I don't think you can. You cannot claim that there isn't antagonism towards whites for being white among progressive circles, I've seen them in action, this type of behavior is tolerated because progressives think non-whites are entitled to be racist because they're oppressed (or they think it's no big deal because they think whites have privilege). If that offends you, change your behavior and stop tolerating racism among your ranks. No self-respecting white person, no matter how non-racist he is, is ever going to support your cause when you can't even respect him.

I mean shit, if you were a pro-secular governement Christian would you ever join a secular group that constantly mocked Christians for being Christian or kept implying that they need to "check their privilege" before speaking? Fuck that.

Years ago there was this Christian vlogger who kept saying atheists should apologize for communism. I am certainly not a communist, but you can probably guess what I think of him with that attitude.