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Theocracy on the way
#81
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 18, 2022 at 11:39 am)arewethereyet Wrote: In order for a theocracy to be one the way, wouldn't a flavor of religion have to be settled upon?

Even the various Christian groups have very different beliefs.

It will be interesting to see.  The "Evangelical" set will be the prevailing power though that is not a well defined group.
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#82
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 18, 2022 at 11:47 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(January 18, 2022 at 11:39 am)arewethereyet Wrote: In order for a theocracy to be one the way, wouldn't a flavor of religion have to be settled upon?

Even the various Christian groups have very different beliefs.
Not necessarily. Even now there are "universal unitarian" centers for religious people who aren't interested in subscribing to any one religion or another, but still want to be a part of that cultish group. I would have to say UU is the way of the future, more so than atheism.

You would be hard-pressed to find a denomination less inclined to form a theocracy than the UUs.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#83
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 18, 2022 at 12:12 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(January 18, 2022 at 11:47 am)Ahriman Wrote: Not necessarily. Even now there are "universal unitarian" centers for religious people who aren't interested in subscribing to any one religion or another, but still want to be a part of that cultish group. I would have to say UU is the way of the future, more so than atheism.

You would be hard-pressed to find a denomination less inclined to form a theocracy than the UUs.
The laymen, probably not, but I'm sure the leaders wouldn't mind forming a theocracy based on UU principles.
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#84
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 18, 2022 at 12:15 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(January 18, 2022 at 12:12 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: You would be hard-pressed to find a denomination less inclined to form a theocracy than the UUs.
The laymen, probably not, but I'm sure the leaders wouldn't mind forming a theocracy based on UU principles.

Which are:

1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#85
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 18, 2022 at 12:19 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(January 18, 2022 at 12:15 pm)Ahriman Wrote: The laymen, probably not, but I'm sure the leaders wouldn't mind forming a theocracy based on UU principles.

Which are:

1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
Right, so a UU theocracy wouldn't be so bad?
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#86
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 18, 2022 at 11:57 am)Angrboda Wrote:
(January 18, 2022 at 11:47 am)Ahriman Wrote: Not necessarily. Even now there are "universal unitarian" centers for religious people who aren't interested in subscribing to any one religion or another, but still want to be a part of that cultish group. I would have to say UU is the way of the future, more so than atheism.

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#87
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 14, 2022 at 6:36 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(January 14, 2022 at 6:01 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Still didn't answer the question.
It would be wonderful because it would align with my values. I already think God should take direct control of the world, but having competent, righteous human mediums would be the next best thing.

Oliver Cromwell would like to have a word with you. History has demonstrated that theocracies are ruled by neither the competent nor the righteous. They have been demonstrated to be detrimental to religion as, sheltered from criticism by the state, religion need no longer prune away bad ideas. Religions that gain statehood lose vitality.
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#88
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 18, 2022 at 11:47 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(January 18, 2022 at 11:39 am)arewethereyet Wrote: In order for a theocracy to be one the way, wouldn't a flavor of religion have to be settled upon?

Even the various Christian groups have very different beliefs.
Not necessarily. Even now there are "universal unitarian" centers for religious people who aren't interested in subscribing to any one religion or another, but still want to be a part of that cultish group. I would have to say UU is the way of the future, more so than atheism.

As a Unitarian Universalist, I salivate at our upcoming world domination Razz 

UU is not the future.  Its numbers are trending better than most denominations, but is still relatively stagnant or declining. 

Fewer people want to do church, of any type, and UU is not for everyone.  It invites you to build your own philosophy and purpose.  It provides only 7 principles, and says "use any of the religious, humanist, or atheist sources you like". 

Most people prefer being told that an afterlife is real (and what is required to get there).  UU doesn't do that.
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#89
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 18, 2022 at 12:25 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(January 18, 2022 at 12:19 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Which are:

1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
Right, so a UU theocracy wouldn't be so bad?
Based on the ideas, I don't think the UU would want to form a theocracy because they would want a country with freedom of all various religions including non religions. The groups that would make power grabs for a theocracy would be more fundamental and evangelical. Keep in mind, a theocracy is not and never can be a democracy. Whatever "god" says is law is law. Period. No one gets to decide.
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#90
RE: Theocracy on the way
(January 18, 2022 at 7:54 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: As a Unitarian Universalist, I salivate at our upcoming world domination Razz 

UU is not the future.  Its numbers are trending better than most denominations, but is still relatively stagnant or declining. 

Fewer people want to do church, of any type, and UU is not for everyone.  It invites you to build your own philosophy and purpose.  It provides only 7 principles, and says "use any of the religious, humanist, or atheist sources you like". 

Most people prefer being told that an afterlife is real (and what is required to get there).  UU doesn't do that.

I agree.  The vast majority of religious modalities offer pretty hard and fast rules and this appears to be a feature people like in a religion.  People will leave a religion and migrate to a different one that they find more suitable, but few people are comfortable with the idea of "make your own philosophy".  This seems to also be a factor in keeping people from jettisoning religion altogether.  As an atheist, I can't count how many times I've heard theists argue that you can't just make up your own morals.  Sorry to disagree but I can and I have.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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