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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 7:03 am
Quote:Russia's invasion of Ukraine has presented the White House with a geopolitical crisis that it played a critical role in creating. In February 2014, Victoria Nuland, a current senior State Department official and former Dick Cheney advisor, was caught on tape plotting the installation of a new Ukrainian government – a plan, she stressed, that would involve Biden and his then-top aide, and current National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan. Weeks later, the democratically elected Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted and replaced by Washington-backed leaders – including a prime minister selected by Nuland.
The regime change in Kiev made Biden the most influential US political figure in Ukraine, as underscored by the lucrative Burisma board seat gifted to his son Hunter. While the Biden family and other well-connected players profited, Ukraine fell into civil war. In the eastern Donbas region, Kremlin-backed Ukrainian rebels took up arms against a fascist-infused coup government that cracked down on Russian culture and countenanced murderous assaults on dissidents. Rather than promote the 2015 Minsk II accords -- the agreed-upon formula for ending the Donbas conflict – the US fueled the fight with a weapons and training program that turned Ukraine into a NATO proxy. Influential US politicians left no doubt about their intentions. As the Donbas war raged, lawmakers declared that they were using Ukraine to “fight Russia over there” (Adam Schiff) and vowed to “make Russia pay a heavier price,” (John McCain). In February of this year, Russia invaded to bring the eight-year fight to an end, leaving Ukraine to pay the heaviest price of all.
The Biden administration shunned multiple opportunities to prevent the Russian assault. [...]
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 7:21 am
^See?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 7:28 am
Good lord! It's all Dick Cheney's fault!
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 9:29 am
(This post was last modified: October 19, 2022 at 9:30 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
Right, America forced Russia to invade Ukraine using a shitty army led by corrupt generals and equipped with obsolete gear. They only had eight years to plan! God, the urgency!
(Never mind the fact that Russia used disguised soldiers in 2014 to violate the Budapest Memorandum). Were I the Ukrainian president, once my country has won this war the first thing I'd do is a crash-program to develop my own nuclear weapons and ensure Russia never again does this.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 11:09 am
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) publicly confirmed Tuesday that a Republican-controlled House will shut off Ukraine's efforts to defend itself against Russia's invasion.
https://www.axios.com/2022/10/18/republi...d-mccarthy
So it seems that Vladimir Putin's greatest ally in his fascist global takeover attempt (because Ukraine is on the front lines fighting for all of us) is the Republican Party. Russia is at war with not just Ukraine.
The Republican Party used to have like one or two freak show Republicans that were clearly the Kremlin candidates. Now the entire party is co-opted with Kremlin talking points. Needles to say that shutting the aid is going to empower Putin and allow his genocide, his extermination of the Ukrainian people.
So with Kevin McCarthy in power in the House, Putin is going to have a field day. It's going to be springtime for Putin should that happen. And Russia is at war with not just Ukraine but has very clearly stated again and again that they're at war with the West. They're at war with democracy, wherever democracy exists in the world. Democracy must fail and fascism, mafia states must prevail. Russia is part of an axis of these kleptocratic states along with North Korea, Iran, Assad’s Syria, Venezuela.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 11:47 am
(October 19, 2022 at 4:38 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: .... the breakneck switch from Ukraine to Haiti).
Boru Well, that backfired in the most spectacular way possible, didnt it?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 12:39 pm
Quote:Quote:Russia's invasion of Ukraine has presented the White House with a geopolitical crisis that it played a critical role in creating. In February 2014, Victoria Nuland, a current senior State Department official and former Dick Cheney advisor, was caught on tape plotting the installation of a new Ukrainian government – a plan, she stressed, that would involve Biden and his then-top aide, and current National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan. Weeks later, the democratically elected Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted and replaced by Washington-backed leaders – including a prime minister selected by Nuland.
The regime change in Kiev made Biden the most influential US political figure in Ukraine, as underscored by the lucrative Burisma board seat gifted to his son Hunter. While the Biden family and other well-connected players profited, Ukraine fell into civil war. In the eastern Donbas region, Kremlin-backed Ukrainian rebels took up arms against a fascist-infused coup government that cracked down on Russian culture and countenanced murderous assaults on dissidents. Rather than promote the 2015 Minsk II accords -- the agreed-upon formula for ending the Donbas conflict – the US fueled the fight with a weapons and training program that turned Ukraine into a NATO proxy. Influential US politicians left no doubt about their intentions. As the Donbas war raged, lawmakers declared that they were using Ukraine to “fight Russia over there” (Adam Schiff) and vowed to “make Russia pay a heavier price,” (John McCain). In February of this year, Russia invaded to bring the eight-year fight to an end, leaving Ukraine to pay the heaviest price of all.
The Biden administration shunned multiple opportunities to prevent the Russian assault. [...]
https://mate.substack.com/p/the-endless-...-by-design
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Quote:The Grayzone is a far-left[12] news website and blog[16] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[13] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[17] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[1] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[1][18][19][20] It is known for misleading reporting[21] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[1][14][22] in addition to its denial of human rights abuses against Uyghurs.[26] The Grayzone has published conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria and other regions,[27][28] as well as pro-Russian propaganda during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[25]
Quote:The Grayzone has been criticized for defending authoritarian regimes.[13][1][28][29] Bruce Bawer, writing in Commentary, described The Grayzone as "a one-stop propaganda shop, devoted largely to pushing a pro-Assad line on Syria, a pro-regime line on Venezuela, a pro-Putin line on Russia, and a pro-Hamas line on Israel and Palestine".[29] Nerma Jelacic, writing in the Index on Censorship, described The Grayzone as "a Kremlin-connected online outlet that pushes pro-Russian conspiracy theories and genocide denial."[43] The Grayzone had previously claimed Jelacic's employer collaborated with ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra affiliates.[43]
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 1:09 pm
Quote:Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych
He stole anywhere from 40 to 70 Billion $ from the Ukrainian state. Its still not clear how his son managed to accumulate 500mio during Yanukovychs reign.
Judging by his level of corruption and going by Bels argument that russian invasion was aok, because ...corruption.....well Russia should have invaded by 2014.
Why didnt Russia invade and "fix" Ukraine in 2014, but just annexed Crimea?
Is it probably because its more about grabbing land than about "helping fellow russians"?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 3:18 pm
(October 19, 2022 at 1:09 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Quote:Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych
He stole anywhere from 40 to 70 Billion $ from the Ukrainian state. Its still not clear how his son managed to accumulate 500mio during Yanukovychs reign.
Judging by his level of corruption and going by Bels argument that russian invasion was aok, because ...corruption.....well Russia should have invaded by 2014.
Why didnt Russia invade and "fix" Ukraine in 2014, but just annexed Crimea?
Is it probably because its more about grabbing land than about "helping fellow russians"?
This Maidan Revolution or Revolution of Dignity that happened in February 2014 seems to have changed everything for Ukraine and Russia as well. I think it was the beginning of the end for puppet governments in Belarus and Ukraine and that seems to have made Mr. Putin very angry.
Before that era, I didn’t really know much about Ukraine. I didn’t even know its geographical location. My perception of Ukraine than was not so different from Putin’s perception now. In my mind it was just another ex-Soviet country. Yet when the war broke out I knew they were going to show at least some degree of resistance. Because I know that ideologically, these break-away old socialist republic tend to be quite nationalistic and because of the soviet heritage, soldiers in their military units are usually well trained with a degree of combat readiness.
Yet, I find this issue to be very interesting in terms of the characteristics of the times we are living. To me it’s almost like a new season of my favorite TV series (without meaning that I am downplaying the gravity of the situation that is affecting real human lives). And things seem to be quite complex already (at least for an ordinary / non-political scientist mind like mine). So in my mind, there can’t be any place for unreliable sources of information or disinformation as we call it. If one goes into disinformation, or poor sources of information (anything other than most trustworthy, professional and independent media sources across the world, who present verifiable information in a clearly understandable and rational manner) you won’t understand anything actually. This new mess they have created is pure insanity with a rational face. That’s how I am defining it.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 4:49 pm
Getting fed up with a lot of this rubbish. This isn’t a complicated war: Russia invaded Ukraine. Large swaths of the world have condemned the invasion and are assisting in Ukraine’s defense.
There really isn’t a lot more to it than that. Ukraine cozying up to NATO doesn’t justify the invasion. Neither does alleged Ukrainian corruption, the ‘de-nazification’ of Ukraine, the establishment of a Greater Russia - nothing.
Jeezus pleezus, this isn’t rocket surgery. It’s pretty clear who the bad guys are.
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