Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

Lol 

I'll just leave this here 

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-b...eal-2023-2

Former Israeli prime minister rebuts claim, boosted by Russia, that the US blocked a Ukraine peace agreement: 'It's unsure there was any deal to be made'

https://www.thebulwark.com/no-the-united...eace-deal/


I'll also insert this here

[The Architect Of Fate]

But even if this were true I repeat . There is no deal you can make with Putin he would honor. So it's essentially no deal at all. Any deal will simply buy Putin time. Not bring any lasting peace. We would simply be fighting him again later.

[Leonardo17]

1) There were articles on European press on that in the 90’s. But here is a more recent article:


“After 1980, the post-Mao Party began withdrawing funds from the health system across China, requiring it to make up the shortfall from service charges to mostly uninsured patients. Selling the organs of executed convicts became a source of income for surgeons, the military and other participants. After 1999, Falun Gong prisoners of conscience became a live organ bank for wealthy Chinese patients and “organ tourists” from abroad, who often preferred that the “donors” were Falun Gong, being healthy persons normally, rather than convicted prisoners.”

https://endtransplantabuse.org/tiananmen...n-context/

You have to be very careful with Falun Gong sources. They are big on Q-Anon, they say that evolution is a lie, they are big pro-Trump people. Japanese people tend to lump them in with other new religions like the Moonies. 

There is a great deal of misinformation on the Internet. 

+ I can also mention the forced labor and assimilation polities in the Turkic Xinjian Region. 
Another issue that should make you happy: Many western firms prefer to simply ignore the fact that their subsidiaries are providing them products that were produced as a result of forced labor because their will to make profit is simply stronger than their will to respect human rights.

Why do you think this will make me happy? Do you think I am in favor of forced labor? 

2) No you can believe me on that. We are facing an issue that is similar to the situation in Ukraine here. We have political İslamists in power here (that are one and the same with fascists or KKK members in my opinion). I think that their project is one are the same as the project of Russians in Ukraine. So I am not one of these nuts who volunteer to go and fight with the foreign brigade of the Ukrainians. But on an attitude level I do feel a lot of understanding toward Ukrainians. By the way I came here because I want to share this article on how difficult the situation is on the Ukrainian side also:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-sol...41199.html
 

Believe you on what? That China is Orwellian? 

And no one is surprised that Ukrainian soldiers are in bad condition in Bakhmut. Ukraine is losing badly. 

And just like you, Political İslamists seem to be surprised by this attitude. That’s because the world has been changing (for a while now). This idea of men being some sort of creature who is happy to live as long as he can eat and breed is clearly fading away. Anyone who fails to see this shift is making a huge mistake. And I think these people themselves are not really right in their own minds. That’s how I see this  

What attitude do you think I will be surprised by? Who has said that people are "happy to live as long as he can eat and breed"? 

You seem to be arguing against things I have never said.

Here is a blog post by a British guy who lives in China. I cannot vouch that is 100% accurate, but it might make sense for you to read something by someone who is actually there. He gives links to other sites. Many of the sources I see, both independent (non-corporate) anglophone media and media from Chinese-speakers, corroborate what he's saying.

https://johnmenadue.com/the-greatest-pro...n-history/

1) Yes. I don’t know why Wikipedia is citing this Fallun Goong organization. Here is a better source: https://humanrightscommission.house.gov/...g-evidence
 
Authoritarian countries do that. In Egypt they simply kill Sub-Saharan African refugees, make them “donors” and throw their bodies in the desert. (I watched a terrible documentary on that).
 
Thanks for the warning
 
2) You seem like a rather left-wing person to me so I wanted to let you know that I am also very critical about these multi-national companies who value their own profit more than human rights.
 
3) That’s my point. I think they saw what happened in Syria, so they cannot afford to lose badly and with the aid of the West, I don’t think they are going to lose badly.
 
4) Sorry but you did. That’s the social contract of authoritarian Governments and empires (like the Ottoman Empire, the Soviet Empire, the neo-Russian Empire, the Nazi Empire) basically it says: “I will take everything from you, I will give you nothing, You will do as I say, You will believe what I say you will believe and I will let you live (Until I summon you to join army ranks)”.
 
Again, a Cultural example from this region (and History): When I was in a bazaar in Cairo / Egypt, all those merchants were there saying “Hola” to Mexican tourists, “Bongiorno” to the Italians, “dobra-utra” to the Russians, but when I was chatting with the guys they would not sey “merhaba” or “İyi Gunler” to me. He just wouldn’t. Why? – Not because he disliked me as a person. That’s because people do not like to be ruled by someone. + When you oppress someone (Like Russia did to Poland throughout all its history) People don’t forget that. And that’s why even the Populist, Right-wing government of Poland is the number one supporter of Ukraine (together with Baltic and other East-European countries). All I am saying is that imperial ambitions are a relic of the past. For me it’s something that was over with the End of the colonial empires in the 60’s. The very last relic of that was perhaps the US during the Vietnam War, or the Soviets during the Afghan war. So I have expectations, even toward Xi-Chi-Ping for instance. I agree with him if he wants to develop his economy in order to support his people. I disagree with him if he dream of “World dominance in 2050”. If he repeats that too often I will conclude that he is no different from my “Chief” here in the palace

Web Link: The forced assimilation of the Turkic people in Xin-Jang is a fact. We have many Uygur Refugees living here in Turkey. China is even asking for their extradition. This has been happening since the PRC came to power in the 40’s. They see İslam as some twisted ideology so they want to “change” this erroneous belief among the people. There are all sorts of reports. We even know the things they are doing in these “reeducation centers” and we know it’s on large scale. You can just browse the Internet I’m sure you will find many interesting articles

[Leonardo17]

The up-gunned, tracked MT-LBs are further evidence of the Kremlin’s worsening equipment crisis as it struggles to make good its losses in Ukraine.

The first of these weirdo MT-LBs started showing up in Ukraine last month. On or before Feb. 3, Ukrainian forces in Vuhledar captured from hapless Russian brigades a 13-ton, two-crew MT-LB sporting a 2M-7 gunboat turret.

The 2M-7 is an over-under pair of 14.5-millimeter machine guns behind a steel shield. It entered service with Soviet forces in 1945.

Ukrainian missile teams, tankers and artillery gunners—including the crews of MT-LB-12s—can hit the weirdo Russian vehicles from thousands of yards beyond the weirdos’ own firing range. That might not be such a big problem if the MT-LB were better-protected.

Now, the Russian MT-LB/2M-3/7 might have an anti-aircraft role—which, of course, would obviate the armor problem. But the vehicle lacks a radar to guide its gunfire. So if it is an air-defense system, it’s a bad one.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/20...-tractors/

This is not so related but I found a video containing a nice comparison between the NATO Patriot SAM batteries and the Russian S-400. In the Bosnian War these S-400 had shot down F-117 fighter jets. The Chinese are said to have bought the parts of these shot-down airplanes and used them in the development of their J-20 Fighter Jets. Still the Patriot system seems like a better / more efficient system than its Russian counterpart in several ways:

[Thumpalumpacus]

US/NATO killed Ukraine peace deal, says Israeli PM.

Even if he were 100% accurate, that still doesn't answer my point. Here, I'll type it slowly in the hope, however faint it may be, that you will this time be able to follow:

This is rot. NATO forces haven't attacked any Russian asset. Ukrainian forces have.

Sup, bro? You still waiting for that evidence that Cheney and Bush lied about WMDs?

Actually, I'm awaiting evidence that you possess more than seventeen functioning neurons ... "bro".

[Thumpalumpacus]

Oh, and for those apologists spending their time trying to blame this Russian atrocity on NATO and America, this plain threat from Foreign Minister Lavrov makes it clear who started this wart, and who will start the next one, if the former SSRs don't take diktats from Moscow:

MOSCOW, March 10 (Reuters) - Russia on Friday cautioned allies across the former Soviet Union of the perils of aligning with the United States after what Moscow said was a Western-backed coup attempt in Georgia similar to the Ukrainian "Maidan" revolution of 2014.

Russia, tied down in the deadliest conflict in Europe since World War Two, has seen its authority challenged by a number of neighbours and traditional allies since President Vladimir Putin sent troops into Ukraine in February last year.

In Tbilisi, thousands of Georgians took to the streets over three consecutive nights to protest against what they said was a Russian-inspired "foreign agents" law that threatened to derail the country's bid for closer ties with Europe.

"It is very similar to the Kyiv Maidan," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told state television, referring to the 2014 Maidan revolution which toppled a pro-Russian president in Ukraine.

"It seems to me that all the countries located around the Russian Federation should draw their own conclusions about how dangerous it is to take a path towards engagement with the United States' zone of responsibility, its zone of interests."

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-cau...023-03-10/

This is the nation and its behavior which Bel and IR are seeking to justify. "If you leave me I'll kill you" is classic spouse-abuser verbiage ... yet they're okay with it.

[The Grand Nudger]

Cheney and Bush lied, therefore ukranians must die. Have that about right?

[Irreligious Atheist]

Cheney and Bush lied, therefore ukranians must die.  Have that about right?

Exactly. Long live Mother Russia.

No. No broader point I was making. Just wanted to point out confirmation that Trumpalumpacus is full of it and knows little about how the US and NATO works. I was right, again. I had zero evidence though, right? I was grasping at straws, and a broken clock was right twice a day, supposedly. That's always how it goes. Tin foil hat wearing me always coming up with silly scenarios, and miraculously getting it right time and time again. I guess I'm just a lucky guesser. I was banished to the covid conspiracy thread for talking about lab leak, and now the Energy Department and FBI are even more confident than I was about a lab leak. Funny how that turned out. You and jokers like Jon Stewart tried to gaslight me into thinking I was making up the problem of cancel culture, but Jon Stewart himself is now doing a 180 and saying his friends in the industry stopped talking to him after he talked about lab leak on the Colbert show. You gaslit me about being concerned about words being banned by universities and said I was being uppity over nothing? Well, the word "field", as in scientists doing field work, is now being advised against. Can't call it field work any longer, because that might offend someone who had a slave field worker as an ancestor.

I'm not defending the killing of Ukrainians. I'm calling out your BS and lies.

[Fake Messiah]

What do you know, Russia's economy is collapsing.

Professor Jeffrey Suninfeld at the Yale School of Management and a team of colleagues have been tracking Russia's economy for years. we know that every key industrial sector is down. We know the Auto industry is down not 10, 20, 30, 40, 70, they're down 99 percent. we know the retail industry is down 65 percent. We get this from everybody who's selling into Russia, buying from Russia. We can see every sector. The most important center for Russia is energy. Russia's two-thirds of its economy was coming from the energy business. We now know that nobody needs Russia's gas. Europe 86 percent of the gas was coming this time last year from Russia, but now it's less than seven percent and it go it could go to zero.

Russian oligarch recently made headlines warning Russia may run out of money in 2024. There will be no money already next year.

Putin's government is already cannibalizing Industries to find key components, like the photographs of thousands of refrigerators being torn apart to to harvest chips for for use in military for weapons purposes.

https://youtu.be/B643JWVOO2g

[Thumpalumpacus]

Just wanted to point out confirmation that Trumpalumpacus is full of it and knows little about how the US and NATO works. I was right, again.

Child, unlike you, I've operated under NATO orders, and have studied its leadership. Additionally, I'm much better-versed in American politics and government organization than you are, I suspect.

Also, it's funny you're trying to link me with Trump by deliberately misspelling my screen-name. Anyone who knows me knows how much I detest the man, and knows that I've never voted for him, and that I have vowed to never vote for anyone who has given him any support.

But hey, do continue to speak out of ignorance. It's amusing you could be so wrong about someone and still think you know your ass from third-base. You might want to take it easy on that shovel.

Its a pity you didn't have the spine to direct this massively incorrect post to me directly, but hey, I've known all along you're a shitbag, so while it's amusing it's not surprising.

I'm not defending the killing of Ukrainians.

You're doing your best to justify those victims of this Russian crime. What a blowhard.