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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 15, 2025 at 7:39 pm
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(February 15, 2025 at 6:42 pm)MR. Macabre 666 Wrote: (February 15, 2025 at 2:51 pm)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: So? Zelensky can dream about it but it won't be anything besides his dream.
I doubt it. In 2023 only 3 countries were over 5% Somehow I don't see it changing to great extent.
I'm more worried about him being fascist willing to fellate other fascists. The huge amounts of waste and corruption in our government are being exposed by Musk, He has benefitted directly from such corruption, he is likely only "exposing" it, where this deflects from his own nefarious corruption, and where it directly benefits himself. Though it is important to note he is in this instance (and others) a lying scumbag, and this is an objective fact.
Quote:America first isn't just a phrase, it should be at the forefront of everything that our government does.
Nationalism and fascism are synonymous. How does your claim square with the US fighting the Nazis, since they were only putting their country's interests first.
Quote:If you hate this country of ours, why don't you just leave? Mexico or Canada are just a road trip away.
That's not how democracy works, though it is how fascists frame the debate, as a false dichotomy.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 15, 2025 at 7:41 pm
@ MR. Macabre 666
Quote:America first isn't just a phrase, it should be at the forefront of everything that our government does. If you hate this country of ours, why don't you just leave? Mexico or Canada are just a road trip away.
When your car breaks down, do you leave it on the side of the road? No, you take steps to fix it.
Your country is broken and needs fixing. Unfortunately, a bare majority of you hired a mechanic who apparently thinks the solution is to break it more.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 15, 2025 at 8:17 pm
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Quote:You've been screaming that Trump's a fascist since the election last November, what has he done since taking office last month that defines him as a fascist? Has he outlawed and/or taken control of the media yet? Does he have control of the newspapers? Has he begun mandatory military conscription yet?
You are either deaf, dumb or blind to not see the clearly fascist actions he's taken since January
Quote:Seriously, going through the government's books and cutting spending on things that don't benefit this country's own citizens? The huge amounts of waste and corruption in our government are being exposed by Musk, and it's much worse than we could have thought it would be.
Musk has not exposed a damn thing instead he's instigated an essential take over of the US government and engaged in a reckless and frankly corrupt slash and burn scheme that doesn't benefit citizens it hurts them in everyway imaginable you again display your wanton ignorance
Quote:America first isn't just a phrase, it should be at the forefront of everything that our government does. If you hate this country of ours, why don't you just leave? Mexico or Canada are just a road trip away.
America first is a dumb jingoist slogan that ironically enough when enacted will wind up doing more harm the US then good and calling it out for what it is isn't hating America it's just bursting your delusional nationalist bubble.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 15, 2025 at 8:27 pm
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(February 15, 2025 at 7:39 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Nationalism and fascism are synonymous. How does your claim square with the US fighting the Nazis, since they were only putting their country's interests first.
Arguable, but the difference between civic and ethnic nationalism was then invoked to say that..no, a nation is a not a specific people with a shared heritage or a rightful class based claim to national future or..for that matter, growing space in someone else's country. We came from many places, many people. E pluribus unum. America was an idea. America was for everybody. We're bound together by principle, rather than blood. By our shared allegiance to and maintenance of those very institutions which granted us all this wonderful opportunity in the first place.
Ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism cannot easily coexist. Not for nothing, but the trump regime sold one thing, and delivers the other...so I think tugging at american nationalism is one of the few off ramps for maga cultists.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 15, 2025 at 9:19 pm
(February 15, 2025 at 6:42 pm)MR. Macabre 666 Wrote: Seriously, going through the government's books and cutting spending on things that don't benefit this country's own citizens?
2,300 employees of the DPT OF interior got fired yesterday.
They include a bevy of wildland firefighters.
If you think those firefighters aren't needed, you're dumber than you post. Read the fucking news already, ya numpty.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 15, 2025 at 9:22 pm
When they cut off Macabre's SSI, he might start paying attention. But, of course, that one thing would be his only concern.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 15, 2025 at 9:25 pm
(February 15, 2025 at 9:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: When they cut off Macabre's SSI, he might start paying attention. But, of course, that one thing would be his only concern.
He lives in Washington, a comfortably liberal state. He has the luxury of bewailing leftist policy even as he benefits from it.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 16, 2025 at 1:47 am
(February 15, 2025 at 6:42 pm)MR. Macabre 666 Wrote: You've been screaming that Trump's a fascist since the election last November, what has he done since taking office last month that defines him as a fascist? Has he outlawed and/or taken control of the media yet? Does he have control of the newspapers? Has he begun mandatory military conscription yet?
None of above mentioned are required to be fascist. Per Roger Griffin fascism is a political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultra-nationalism. maga fits the bill perfectly.
Quote:Seriously, going through the government's books and cutting spending on things that don't benefit this country's own citizens? The huge amounts of waste and corruption in our government are being exposed by Musk, and it's much worse than we could have thought it would be.
I'm sure that third rate oligarch is working toward country of majority of forum users best interests and not to enrich himself.
Quote:America first isn't just a phrase, it should be at the forefront of everything that our government does. If you hate this country of ours, why don't you just leave? Mexico or Canada are just a road trip away.
It's a phrase used by KKK which alone is enough for it to land in dustbin of history. If it should be uttered anywhere prison would be a nice place for it. Also I don't live in USA.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 16, 2025 at 4:42 am
(February 13, 2025 at 5:41 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: But we will see if Europeans can create some sort of united front (with the leadership of Poland) against the US. Polish minister of foreign affairs just rejected the idea.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
February 16, 2025 at 8:03 am
(February 16, 2025 at 4:42 am)Deesse23 Wrote: (February 13, 2025 at 5:41 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: But we will see if Europeans can create some sort of united front (with the leadership of Poland) against the US. Polish minister of foreign affairs just rejected the idea.
Idea of Poland leading Europe against USA is something that even world best (or worst) comedian wouldn't come with for fear of being too absurd. Who with any knowledge of Europe would think that this christian version of Iran would have pull, ability or even desire to do so?
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