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The problem with "Hate crimes".
#21
RE: The problem with "Hate crimes".
Point is, for something to count as a hate crime, it has to involve something that’s already a crime, not just generally expressing hate for a group.
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#22
RE: The problem with "Hate crimes".
OFC, as made perfectly clear in the statutes. That doesn't much matter to folks like our friend OLB, who feel as though their conscience convicts them of crimes they don't believe should be punished, or even be punishable.
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RE: The problem with "Hate crimes".
Well, this will come as a big sigh of relief to lynching victims.
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#24
RE: The problem with "Hate crimes".
(February 11, 2022 at 8:38 am)onlinebiker Wrote: What if you hate the guy - but don' t sodomize him. Why isn' t that thought still a crime?

Because that would be a thought crime which is stupid.

Sometimes 'the whole is more than the sum of its parts', for lack of a better phrasing of the premise I'm applying.

The point is that the thought behind a crime is an indication of motive. And the motive for an action is relevant to law. Thinking without acting isn't relevant to law.
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#25
RE: The problem with "Hate crimes".
"I hate that person because of their skin colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc.", while vile, is dramatically different from, "I hate that person because of their skin colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation, so I attacked/hurt/killed them."

A thought is a lot different from an action.
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RE: The problem with "Hate crimes".
(February 11, 2022 at 8:55 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: "I hate that person because of their skin colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc.", while vile, is dramatically different from, "I hate that person because of their skin colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation, so I attacked/hurt/killed them."

A thought is a lot different from an action.

Very well put. Have a rep.
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What is terrible is easy to endure
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