If Abortion Becomes Illegal

[arewethereyet]

We have a couple people on here who like to use, as examples, people of great means.

The average woman has to fight to get anything as far as child support goes with the men often waiting till they are going to be picked up on a warrant and then make a small payment toward their back child support. In the meantime, the child still needs food, clothing, housing, and care. If all women had the money to hire big, powerful attorneys and keep going back to court again and again then the concept of child support being something that happens like it should would maybe work.

Of course, this is not always the case. But when it is the case, the child suffers and the court system profits. Maybe that's why they want more babies and fewer terminations.

[Angrboda]

The states which are passing abortion restrictions tend to fall into two categories, southern states that are conservative strongholds, and states that are also conservative because they are mostly rural. The overturning of Roe v. Wade is going to open up two salient issues. The first is the imbalance in the original constitution in which states without a lot of people receive disproportionate representation in the Senate and the Electoral College. The second is that these conservative states in the south are also the states in which children and mothers are most poorly served, with the highest rates of poverty, teen pregnancy, and the worst schools and welfare systems.

[Huggy Bear]

Don't believe I've even implied that.

It' s the point of the OP you pinhead.

Missed that part didja?

I think you're mistaken, I never implied that child support currently covered 50 percent of expenses, (which isn't the point you were making.)

[onlinebiker]

It' s the point of the OP you pinhead.

Missed that part didja?

I think you're mistaken, I never implied that child support currently covered 50 percent of expenses, (which isn't the point you were making.)

You better hire somebody new to read the shit to you. - because you sure as fuck did not read it yourself.

Exactly what point did you THINK ( using that word loosely) was the point of the OP?

[The Grand Nudger]

We have a couple people on here who like to use, as examples, people of great means.

The average woman has to fight to get anything as far as child support goes with the men often waiting till they are going to be picked up on a warrant and then make a small payment toward their back child support.  In the meantime, the child still needs food, clothing, housing, and care.  If all women had the money to hire big, powerful attorneys and keep going back to court again and again then the concept of child support being something that happens like it should would maybe work.

Of course, this is not always the case.  But when it is the case, the child suffers and the court system profits.  Maybe that's why they want more babies and fewer terminations.

Honestly, the whole system is soup sandwich.  Even if a person was of "great means" - or at least enough to get a lawyer..to sue for back child support.....  

The biggest so-called dead beat dads...the ones who owe huge sums in child support?  There are laborers...who owe millions.  In fact, that's the majority of the big offenders.  People who've literally never seen the money our system claims they owe.  They charge interest, you see...as though they're loaning the custodial parent money in the meantime......  Now, this certainly doesn't mean that there aren't people who game the system to shirk their relatively minor child support commitments.  I have a buddy who refuses to pay and has the states blessing in his refusal.  Point being, the system we have works (and makes sense) for no one in this equation.

OFC OLB wants to take a flaming dumpster fire and make it even more abusive, and even more punitive, and no more functional or useful - that's his thing. Strikes me as the kind of guy who would push the button to end all people, if it was within his reach.

[arewethereyet]

I wasn't speaking of OLB. We have a couple people here who routinely present stories of the rich and famous and try to make us think that everyone is treated like that...just isn't the case.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, that was me. I was speaking directly to OLBs fetish. The child support system we have doesn't work for the rich and famous either. I could've reduced my commitment to something like $100 a month 20 years ago. I left it where it was, and I'm as far in the hole on it as I was the very first day there was an order issued and an account to pay to. I'll likely always be exactly as behind as I've ever been (not that all of that money goes to my ex...it sure as shit doesn't, and wouldn't be enough to raise our kid anyway). Hell on my credit score though, regardless of payment status. That's hurt my ability to have a family with someone who actually wants to have a family with me - while not actually helping someone who doesn't...without, as I mentioned, actually covering the cost in the first place.

My ex isn't poor. It's not working for either of us - either. She could afford to hire an endless procession of lawyers, but it wouldn't change a thing for her anymore than a poor ex could expect as much.

[onlinebiker]

Let' s recount...

I have no kids. I learned how to have sex with women without having kids - and got vasectomized as soon as I could.


You - pumped out kids you have to pay on.....


Who fucked up???

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't have too...one of the problems with the system. Keep up. Those who can pay don't have to pay, and those who can't..well...fuck them, off to jail you go. At no point in this chain of misery is anyone well served.

It's a comfort to know that whatever is bumping around in your head dies with you, having had no opportunity to pass it on to a child, though. So thanks for that.

[Divinity]

We have a couple people on here who like to use, as examples, people of great means.

The average woman has to fight to get anything as far as child support goes with the men often waiting till they are going to be picked up on a warrant and then make a small payment toward their back child support.  In the meantime, the child still needs food, clothing, housing, and care.  If all women had the money to hire big, powerful attorneys and keep going back to court again and again then the concept of child support being something that happens like it should would maybe work.

Of course, this is not always the case.  But when it is the case, the child suffers and the court system profits.  Maybe that's why they want more babies and fewer terminations.

I had to fight to try to get child support from my louse of an ex husband. Never got a dime. I've seen so many children lose out in these situations, too. Didn't really have time to fight it myself. Had to work to keep putting food on the table, the kids clothed, and make sure they didn't get themselves too hurt. Even if I did keep fighting, who knows how things would've turned out. Might not have even worked out then. I've seen a lot of cases of dead beat dads who just don't pay their child support, or do just enough to keep the courts off their backs. It sounds all well and good on paper, but in reality: It's far more complicated.