RE: Job
May 16, 2022 at 8:06 am
(This post was last modified: May 16, 2022 at 8:07 am by Fake Messiah.)
When it comes to the soul and Greeks, the truth is that Christians stole a lot from the Greeks about the soul as well as other things, especially if you look at writings of Paul.
Main concepts that Paul took from Plato about the soul are:
--The soul is a pure spiritual essence.
--It contains nothing material, nothing that is essentially of this world.
--It is uncreated and eternal.
--After death, the soul once again belongs to the world of the invisible.
For instance, these are some comparisons of Paul's works and that of Plato from this website link
https://theapeiron.co.uk/did-the-apostle...a9c3b5aa9d
Paul versus Plato case 1
Plato wrote in the Republic: “But such as are true racers, arriving at the end, both receive the prices and are crowned.”
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 9:24, “Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.”
Paul versus Plato case 2
Plato wrote in Phaedo, “to be carnally-minded was death!!”
Paul wrote in Romans 8:6, “The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.”
Paul versus Plato case 3
Plato wrote in Phaedo, “I am very far from admitting that he who contemplates existences through the medium of thought, sees them only through a glass, darkly, any more than he would see them in their working effects.”
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 13:12, “For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.”
Paul versus Plato case 4
Plato wrote in the Citro, “Then we ought not to retaliate or render evil to anyone, whatever evil we may have suffered from him.”
Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5:15, “Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always strive to do what is good for each other and everyone else.”
Paul versus Plato case 5
Plato says,” There is a victory and defeat — the first and best of victories, the lowest and worst of defeats — which each man gains or sustains at the hands, not of another, but himself; this shows that there is a war against ourselves — going on in every individual of us.”
Paul wrote Roman 7:22–23 “But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
Paul versus Plato case 6
Plato gives a vivid description of those gluttonous and intemperate souls whose belly was their God in Plato’s work called “the Republic.”
Paul says in Philippians 3:19, “Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things. “
Paul versus Plato case 7
Plato says, “Now if death is like this, I say that to die is gain.”
Paul says in Philippians 1.21, “For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.”
Paul versus Plato case 8
Plato says, “The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways, I to die and you to live, which is better God only knows.
Paul says in 2 Timothy 4:6, “I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand to be with Christ, which is far better.”
**Paul versus Socrates**
Paul versus Socrates case 1
Socrates says, For my part, as I went away, I reasoned with regard to myself: “I am wiser than this human being. For probably neither of us knows anything noble and good, but he supposes he knows something when he does not know, while I, just as I do not know, do not even suppose that I do. I am likely to be a little bit wiser than he in this very thing: that whatever I do not know, I do not even suppose I know. (Apology, 21d — kindly submitted by Brother Joseph)
Paul says 1Corintnians 8:2, “And if any man thinks that he knoweth anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
Paul versus Socrates case 2
Socrates says that the best-governed city is one “whose state is most like that of an individual man. For example, if the finger of one of us is wounded, the entire community of bodily connections stretching to the soul for ‘integration’ with the dominant part is made aware, and all of it feels the pain as a whole”
Paul says in 1Corinthians 12:25, “That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.”
Paul versus Socrates case 3
Socrates says, “To begin with, our several natures are not all alike but different. One man is naturally fitted for one task, and another for another.”
Paul says in Romans 12:4, “For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office. “
Paul versus Socrates case 4
Socrates asks Protagoras, “Is virtue a single whole, and are justice and self-control and holiness parts of it? … as the parts of a face are parts-mouth, nose, eyes, and ears.” Socrates then probes into the metaphor further by asking Protagoras if they agree that each part serves a different purpose, just as the features of a face do. The parts make the whole, but each serves a different purpose–” the eye is not like the ear nor has it the same function.”
Paul explains in 1Corinthians 12:14–17 that “a body is not one single organ, but many. … Suppose the ear were to say, ‘Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body, it does still belong to the body. If the body were all eyes, how could it hear? If the body were all ears, how could it smell? But, in fact, God appointed each limb and organ to its own place in the body, as he chose.”
Main concepts that Paul took from Plato about the soul are:
--The soul is a pure spiritual essence.
--It contains nothing material, nothing that is essentially of this world.
--It is uncreated and eternal.
--After death, the soul once again belongs to the world of the invisible.
For instance, these are some comparisons of Paul's works and that of Plato from this website link
https://theapeiron.co.uk/did-the-apostle...a9c3b5aa9d
Paul versus Plato case 1
Plato wrote in the Republic: “But such as are true racers, arriving at the end, both receive the prices and are crowned.”
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 9:24, “Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.”
Paul versus Plato case 2
Plato wrote in Phaedo, “to be carnally-minded was death!!”
Paul wrote in Romans 8:6, “The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.”
Paul versus Plato case 3
Plato wrote in Phaedo, “I am very far from admitting that he who contemplates existences through the medium of thought, sees them only through a glass, darkly, any more than he would see them in their working effects.”
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 13:12, “For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.”
Paul versus Plato case 4
Plato wrote in the Citro, “Then we ought not to retaliate or render evil to anyone, whatever evil we may have suffered from him.”
Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5:15, “Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always strive to do what is good for each other and everyone else.”
Paul versus Plato case 5
Plato says,” There is a victory and defeat — the first and best of victories, the lowest and worst of defeats — which each man gains or sustains at the hands, not of another, but himself; this shows that there is a war against ourselves — going on in every individual of us.”
Paul wrote Roman 7:22–23 “But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
Paul versus Plato case 6
Plato gives a vivid description of those gluttonous and intemperate souls whose belly was their God in Plato’s work called “the Republic.”
Paul says in Philippians 3:19, “Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things. “
Paul versus Plato case 7
Plato says, “Now if death is like this, I say that to die is gain.”
Paul says in Philippians 1.21, “For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.”
Paul versus Plato case 8
Plato says, “The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways, I to die and you to live, which is better God only knows.
Paul says in 2 Timothy 4:6, “I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand to be with Christ, which is far better.”
**Paul versus Socrates**
Paul versus Socrates case 1
Socrates says, For my part, as I went away, I reasoned with regard to myself: “I am wiser than this human being. For probably neither of us knows anything noble and good, but he supposes he knows something when he does not know, while I, just as I do not know, do not even suppose that I do. I am likely to be a little bit wiser than he in this very thing: that whatever I do not know, I do not even suppose I know. (Apology, 21d — kindly submitted by Brother Joseph)
Paul says 1Corintnians 8:2, “And if any man thinks that he knoweth anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
Paul versus Socrates case 2
Socrates says that the best-governed city is one “whose state is most like that of an individual man. For example, if the finger of one of us is wounded, the entire community of bodily connections stretching to the soul for ‘integration’ with the dominant part is made aware, and all of it feels the pain as a whole”
Paul says in 1Corinthians 12:25, “That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.”
Paul versus Socrates case 3
Socrates says, “To begin with, our several natures are not all alike but different. One man is naturally fitted for one task, and another for another.”
Paul says in Romans 12:4, “For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office. “
Paul versus Socrates case 4
Socrates asks Protagoras, “Is virtue a single whole, and are justice and self-control and holiness parts of it? … as the parts of a face are parts-mouth, nose, eyes, and ears.” Socrates then probes into the metaphor further by asking Protagoras if they agree that each part serves a different purpose, just as the features of a face do. The parts make the whole, but each serves a different purpose–” the eye is not like the ear nor has it the same function.”
Paul explains in 1Corinthians 12:14–17 that “a body is not one single organ, but many. … Suppose the ear were to say, ‘Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body, it does still belong to the body. If the body were all eyes, how could it hear? If the body were all ears, how could it smell? But, in fact, God appointed each limb and organ to its own place in the body, as he chose.”
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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