The PR Wing Of The GOP

[The Architect Of Fate]

There no excuse IA won't use to minimize Jan6 

[Irreligious Atheist]

Trump was contemplating calling a state of emergency over the election results. He chose not to. Whoever convinced him not to, I'm thankful to that person.

He only considered that after other people suggested it to him and considering this was a state of emergency he didn't even get that right ..... 

I'm aware that even though Trump specifically called for peace and non-violence multiple times during that speech, he was irresponsible in his use of the word fight and things like that. He certainly shot himself in the foot, and his approval rating dropped big time after that. It seems to have risen up again, and he may even beat Biden in 2024, which hopefully doesn't happen, but damn, if the Dems lose to a reality show contestant not once, but twice, I think that's a sign that the Democratic party needs to do better rather than just blaming everything on racism, because you see how well that strategy did if Trump does end up getting back into office.

He only called for peace and nonviolence after he had spent weeks pushing a bullshit lie to enrage his base and his base is only upset he didn't throw his lot in with the insurrectionists because he realized it wasn't going to work and blamming the insanity of Trumpists on the Dems is pure BS...

I've never said don't hold people accountable for what they did on J6. I'm aware many of them were deluded into thinking they could prevent the vote from happening. I don't think we can say that we know what everyone there was thinking, nor should they all be charged the same. The ones who committed violence should be punished worse than the ones who just entered the building, I think.

The only reason any of them were there was that they were deluded enough to believe they could override the election . So no they all get the same treatment based on that intent and trying to pretend otherwise just continues to show your levels of willful denial

I was not referring to the January 6th emergency that actually was an emergency. I was referring to this bombshell story, where they would have called Trump being screwed in the election the real emergency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaKPNSoydz4&t=4s

So an old lady who was just there to protest but ended up entering the Capitol building near the end should be charged the same as people who's violent actions actually killed a police officer? If you say so.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Let's review reality shall we 

1. Trump invented the big lie to outrage his base and provoke them to violence and only promoted non-violence to cover his ass if things went south.


2. The Right-Wing media amplified this lie for months and only condemned it after they saw it was going to fail to save themselves in the fallout.


3. Right-wing groups organized to storm the capital with the purpose of overthrowing the government and not a single one of the people who stormed the capitol building had any other goal and pretending we need to be mind readers to say otherwise is pure cope.


4. Trump only wanted a state of emergency because other people told him to do it. He had no interest in stopping the violence.


5. Lastly anyone who wants to blame Democrats for calling out racists for the insane, violent, and straight-up unhinged behavior of Republicans is an idiot.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I was not referring to the January 6th emergency that actually was an emergency. I was referring to this bombshell story, where they would have called Trump being screwed in the election the real emergency.

It was all an emergency....

So an old lady who was just there to protest but ended up entering the Capitol building near the end should be charged the same as people who's violent actions actually killed a police officer? If you say so.

There was no one who was just there to protest ....

They were there to commit violence or cheer the violence on.

[Irreligious Atheist]

I was not referring to the January 6th emergency that actually was an emergency. I was referring to this bombshell story, where they would have called Trump being screwed in the election the real emergency.

It was all an emergency....

So an old lady who was just there to protest but ended up entering the Capitol building near the end should be charged the same as people who's violent actions actually killed a police officer? If you say so.

There was no one who was just there to protest ....

They were there to commit violence or cheer the violence on.

There were a lot of people there. Clearly not all of them were organized. Some of them had a plan. Others did not. If they were there to protest Biden being falsely elected, they had that right, and it's free speech to believe that Biden should not become President. That belief doesn't automatically entail an intention to overthrow the duly elected government. These are two separate things, although I know you like to conflate and pretend everything is the same. Many people have admitted they went into the building to stop the vote. Others have not admitted that, and many were there to protest and got caught up in the moment and stupidly went into the building. I don't think they need to be locked up for the rest of their lives.

[The Architect Of Fate]

There were a lot of people there. Clearly not all of them were organized.Some of them had a plan. Others did not.

You don't need to be organized to hear the same propaganda and have the same goal.....

 If they were there to protest Biden being falsely elected, they had that right, and it's free speech to believe that Biden should not become President.

Nope, they were there to stop the confirmation and overthrow the government and that's got fuck all to do with free speech.

 That belief doesn't automatically entail an intention to overthrow the duly elected government.

Yes, it does especially after months of it being dog whistled to them by the right to do just that.

These are two separate things, although I know you like to conflate and pretend everything is the same. Many people have admitted they went into the building to stop the vote. Others have not admitted that, and many were there to protest and got caught up in the moment and stupidly went into the building. I don't think they need to be locked up for the rest of their lives.

No, it's not and it's not conflation it's a fact and they should all be judged equally because none of them were innocent in intent and that's what they should be judged on and they only had one intent the overruling of the election and the overthrow of the house. That's the only reason they were there.

[Pat Mustard]

For all of you excusing or defending the January 6 coup, do you not remember your history. The last fellow to organise a beer hall putsch ended up drowning his country in the blood of its people because they were "not good enough" for him.

Oh and the DOJ shoupd also be tearing through the army looking for the generals and other senior officers going to join in before getting cold feet at the very last instance. Why else would (at the time) every living former secretary for war have signed onto an open letter warning the army not to get involved in treasonous activities if not for a significant portion of the army's brass were cosplaying Wilhelm Keitel.

[Rev. Rye]

It was all an emergency....


There was no one who was just there to protest ....

They were there to commit violence or cheer the violence on.

There were a lot of people there. Clearly not all of them were organized. Some of them had a plan. Others did not. If they were there to protest Biden being falsely elected, they had that right, and it's free speech to believe that Biden should not become President. That belief doesn't automatically entail an intention to overthrow the duly elected government. These are two separate things, although I know you like to conflate and pretend everything is the same. Many people have admitted they went into the building to stop the vote. Others have not admitted that, and many were there to protest and got caught up in the moment and stupidly went into the building. I don't think they need to be locked up for the rest of their lives.

Frankly, the second one of the people at the rally notices that things are starting to get violent (e.g.: once they find out people went into the Capitol and are rioting, or hears the crowd chanting “Hang Mike Pence,” or sees that they’ve erected a fucking gallows [or sees the mob destroy an AP cameraman’s equipment and turn the cables into a noose]), and decides to do nothing, that distinction between normal protester and rioter ceases to exist for them. Some may draw the line earlier, but that’s the longest time I’m willing to accept that there might be some legit innocent people there.

[Irreligious Atheist]

All good points, and they were certainly not innocent if they actually entered the building, but you know how riots go. Some people start it, then other people's minds just stop working as individuals, and they give into the mob mentality mindset like they've been infected with a virus.

Should the people there with less bad intentions have known better after seeing how dark much of the pre-entering the Capitol protesting and uttering of threats and such was looking? Yes, they should have known better, but still, do we put them away for the rest of their lives if they didn't partake in any violence and just got caught up in the moment like Helios wants to do? The courts are not treating things this way. Maybe some people are getting off too easy though. That probably is the case.

[The Architect Of Fate]

All good points, and they were certainly not innocent if they actually entered the building, but you know how riots go. Some people start it, then other people's minds just stop working as individuals, and they give into the mob mentality mindset like they've been infected with a virus.

Nope, they were not infected with anything they always intended this.....

Should the people there with less bad intentions have known better after seeing how dark much of the pre-entering the Capitol protesting and uttering of threats and such was looking? Yes, they should have known better, but still, do we put them away for the rest of their lives if they didn't partake in any violence and just got caught up in the moment like Helios wants to do? The courts are not treating things this way. Maybe some people are getting off too easy though. That probably is the case.

There were no people with less bad intentions and if they were not committing violence they were eager to see it and their punishment lengths are for the courts to decide i never said how long they should be punished collectively...