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How to select which supernatural to believe?
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 RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
July 19, 2022 at 1:42 pm
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2022 at 1:43 pm by Angrboda.)
(July 19, 2022 at 1:34 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(July 19, 2022 at 11:24 am)Angrboda Wrote: Thanks, professor. Now go look up the definition of metonym for me. Much obliged. Yeah, whatever. Your pestering is getting tiresome, Brian. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)  (July 19, 2022 at 1:55 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(July 19, 2022 at 1:42 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Yeah, whatever. Your pestering is getting tiresome, Brian. I'd turn the other cheek, but it's got shit on it. (July 19, 2022 at 2:11 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(July 19, 2022 at 2:00 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I'd turn the other cheek, but it's got shit on it. No worries. It's all good.  (July 17, 2022 at 9:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote: That a human being could, in advance, predict the exact head/tails outcome, in advance, of 100 coin tosses (or, 1000 or 10,000) and have that event ascribed to naturalistic causes is, in my opinion, abjectly absurd. I see no reason to discuss that further. That's a very surprising statement coming from an atheist. I completely agree, of course, that there is a threshold of small probabilities beyond which it's no longer reasonable to deny the supernatural cause. Still, a skeptic can find ways to reject your assessment, that a miracle such as predicting 100 consecutive coin tosses may indeed, at least theoretically, have a naturalistic explanation. It's not hard to suggest some far-fetched scenarios : say, some really concealed sleight of hand allowing one to manipulate the outcome of coin tosses, or something similar. And even if such scenarios are not available, the skeptic can still get away with the well-known general objection: they guy correctly predicting 100 consecutive outcomes has a burden of proof, he needs to establish supernatural causation independently. It's clear in this example that there is problem, a big problem, with the level of evidence some atheists suggest to accept that there is a supernatural being. I am tempted to say that only a supernatural being can know/detect/understand supernatural causation, it's almost a matter of semantics: by definition of supernatural, it's beyond natural means to investigate it any way. I am going to anticipate one common objection to what's above: but God supposedly wants us to know Him? Well, yes, that's why he sent prophets, and made the world in such a way that only through prophets can one know ultimate reality, and not through any other kind of independent investigation. RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
July 19, 2022 at 7:11 pm
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2022 at 7:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
That's a weird and abrupt shift from a human being with a power of prediction..to your "supernatural being". As it stands, in mere reality, aloooooot of atheists believe in alooooot of supernatural things, which puts the coals to any idea that atheists by and large or even specifically have impossible standards of evidence for the supernatural. If we did..some hilariously hinky shit apparently succeeds at those impossible standards where your silly god fails. Way to make it worse for "allah".
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It seems there is a straightforward argument for prophethood being the only way one can possibly know God's intention (assuming he exists)
(1) for every prophet PR, the prophet PR is either lying or unknowingly misguided (2) there is no other kind of claimed divine revelations in reality other than those of PR's. (3) From 1 and 2, there is no divine revelation whatsoever. (4) God is supposedly benevolent and wants His creatures to know him. If 4 is true: (5) From 3 and 4, God as so defined, doesn't exist. If 4 is false: (6) God doesn't want his creation to know Him or worship him. And so from a practical point view, any rational individual should act as though He doesn't exist. If the above argument is true, and that God exists, then there is at least one PR who is genuinely a prophet. |
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