Satanic verses

[Fake Messiah]

So there is this thing that Muhammad left called "Satanic verses". It is part of the Koran that incorporates the worship of the venerated pre-Islamic goddesses, Allat, Manat, Al-Uzza - with the inclusion of his god, Allah.

Muhammad included them because he was growing frustrated and disillusioned with his new found prophethood, as people didn't care for his bullshit. So to entice the Meccans to join Islam he included other popular gods in his religion. And while this tradition is now widely rejected by Muslims, the majority of the tradition is actually recorded in explicit detail in some of Islamic books like the Tafsir and Sira, as well as fragments in the Quran.

And since this is now considered a pure blasphemy in the eyes of Islam, Muslims consider that Muhammad was "tricked" by Satan for acknowledging that Allah had three daughters. In Islamic theology - Allah has no children.

Even today, no Muslim can tangibly explain why Muhammad was tricked by Satan, so they try to ignore it, and they get furious when someone brings it up, like Salman Rushdie did.

[Jehanne]

Wow, learn something new everyday!! It seems that the religious shape their religion more than their religion shapes them.

[WinterHold]

So there is this thing that Muhammad left called "Satanic verses". It is part of the Koran that incorporates the worship of the venerated pre-Islamic goddesses, Allat, Manat, Al-Uzza - with the inclusion of his god, Allah.

Muhammad included them because he was growing frustrated and disillusioned with his new found prophethood, as people didn't care for his bullshit. So to entice the Meccans to join Islam he included other popular gods in his religion. And while this tradition is now widely rejected by Muslims, the majority of the tradition is actually recorded in explicit detail in some of Islamic books like the Tafsir and Sira, as well as fragments in the Quran.

And since this is now considered a pure blasphemy in the eyes of Islam, Muslims consider that Muhammad was "tricked" by Satan for acknowledging that Allah had three daughters. In Islamic theology - Allah has no children.

Even today, no Muslim can tangibly explain why Muhammad was tricked by Satan, so they try to ignore it, and they get furious when someone brings it up, like Salman Rushdie did.

What you refer to is called in Arabic قصة الغرانيق:


https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%82%D8%...9%8A%D9%82


The English version of the article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses


Actually, your whole topic is dismissed because the only believers in this story are Sunni/Shiite Muslims; I dismiss the Hadith and most (if not all) documentations about that period except the Quran.

A real Muslim should ignore the Hadith and Sira because they are full of lies and deceit (like the one in your OP).

[Jehanne]

Classic example of an answer in search of questions.

[WinterHold]

Classic example of an answer in search of questions.

Not really. The classic example would be to "denounce the story while keeping faith in the rest of Hadith".

But I tell you that "All of Hadith" cannot be trusted, let alone Muslims were never told to believe in it !
Notice that it is neither a revelation nor a holy book from God; the only holy book is the "Quran", any other writing are mere "writings" by people who are not even prophets or holy men !

The Hadith is a sea of reports and stories which are written 200 years after Mohammed -PBUH-'s death!
Don't forget that if we took the stories and reports of people for granted; Zeus would be a real figure.

[Angrboda]

Classic example of an answer in search of questions.

Not really. The classic example would be to "denounce the story while keeping faith in the rest of Hadith".

But I tell you that "All of Hadith" cannot be trusted, let alone Muslims were never told to believe in it !
Notice that it is neither a revelation nor a holy book from God; the only holy book is the "Quran", any other writing are mere "writings" by people who are not even prophets or holy men !

The Hadith is a sea of reports and stories which are written 200 years after Mohammed -PBUH-'s death!
Don't forget that if we took the stories and reports of people for granted; Zeus would be a real figure.

Those Muslims believe differently than you do. You believe a different set of things, specifically regarding the hadith. So fucking what? Your beliefs are no less stupid than theirs.

[HappySkeptic]

Now if only you would apply that same standard of skepticism to all purported "holy" books, Winter.

[arewethereyet]

Interesting that the beliefs of Muslims are as fractured as the beliefs of Christians.

I might be convinced if there was some continuity.

[Jehanne]

Interesting that the beliefs of Muslims are as fractured as the beliefs of Christians.

I might be convinced if there was some continuity.

Continuity does exist. In the first century there was a talking dog, a tall dog (see below). Two thousand years later (or, thereabouts, who's counting?!), Hanna & Barbera gave that dog a name. What more evidence do you need???

[WinterHold]

Not really. The classic example would be to "denounce the story while keeping faith in the rest of Hadith".

But I tell you that "All of Hadith" cannot be trusted, let alone Muslims were never told to believe in it !
Notice that it is neither a revelation nor a holy book from God; the only holy book is the "Quran", any other writing are mere "writings" by people who are not even prophets or holy men !

The Hadith is a sea of reports and stories which are written 200 years after Mohammed -PBUH-'s death!
Don't forget that if we took the stories and reports of people for granted; Zeus would be a real figure.

Those Muslims believe differently than you do.  You believe a different set of things, specifically regarding the hadith.  So fucking what?  Your beliefs are no less stupid than theirs.

Humans believe in different things. So?