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Natural family planning
#71
RE: Natural family planning
(November 27, 2022 at 1:48 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(November 27, 2022 at 1:38 pm)Ahriman Wrote: It sounds like you would go back to it if you had to.

There are atheists, such as David Mills, who would never accept the evidence of the miraculous; I am not one of those atheists.  If there was evidence, I would at least consider it.

Miracles don't happen, they have never happened, and even if a miracle did happen (for whatever reason), the miracle happening would not be proof that any religion (in particular) is legitimate.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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#72
RE: Natural family planning
(November 27, 2022 at 2:03 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(November 27, 2022 at 1:48 pm)Jehanne Wrote: There are atheists, such as David Mills, who would never accept the evidence of the miraculous; I am not one of those atheists.  If there was evidence, I would at least consider it.

Miracles don't happen, they have never happened, and even if a miracle did happen (for whatever reason), the miracle happening would not be proof that any religion (in particular) is legitimate.

Your point is certainly valid. Even if Jesus of Nazareth arose bodily from the dead, maybe such was due to mischievous aliens who were playing a cosmic prank, at least until their commanders found out about it, consigning all of them to janitorial duty on their long voyage back home.
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#73
RE: Natural family planning
(November 27, 2022 at 2:10 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(November 27, 2022 at 2:03 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Miracles don't happen, they have never happened, and even if a miracle did happen (for whatever reason), the miracle happening would not be proof that any religion (in particular) is legitimate.

Your point is certainly valid.  Even if Jesus of Nazareth arose bodily from the dead, maybe such was due to mischievous aliens who were playing a cosmic prank, at least until their commanders found out about it, consigning all of them to janitorial duty on their long voyage back home.

Or maybe the shit just didn't happen at all lol
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#74
RE: Natural family planning
(November 27, 2022 at 2:03 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(November 27, 2022 at 1:48 pm)Jehanne Wrote: There are atheists, such as David Mills, who would never accept the evidence of the miraculous; I am not one of those atheists.  If there was evidence, I would at least consider it.

Miracles don't happen, they have never happened, and even if a miracle did happen (for whatever reason), the miracle happening would not be proof that any religion (in particular) is legitimate.

If a miracle happened, the set of all non-miracles (defined as the set of all things that happened) would grow by one item,
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#76
RE: Natural family planning
(November 27, 2022 at 9:37 am)Jehanne Wrote: And, so, per Church teaching, simply "ask(ing) God directly to forgive your sins" may not be sufficient.  The paragraph prior outlines the Church's vuews:

Quote:1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called "perfect" (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.

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