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Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
#21
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
We took in a stray tomcat that sleeps on our dog. Cute as all get out..but between the two of em, they've got a bigger carbon footprint than our car. It occurs to me that murder machine might not be far off...and it's not like a cat would correct us if we were wrong about that. Because cat. There are certainly lines of argumentation that could end up in the "kill all cats" place, I just don't think dead mice pave that road.
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#22
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
(November 27, 2022 at 12:50 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: What do people on this forum think, are cats beasts? Many people love cats, and many people think cats can love humans, but I think cats are evil beasts. No human being is so bloodthirsty like a cat is. Cats kill mice even when they are not hungry. I think cats, if they were bigger, would also kill and eat us humans the same way they now kill and eat mice. Big cats, lions and tigers, they can kill and eat humans, and they really do kill and eat humans, if given a chance to. Why would little cats, that many people love, be any different?

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I think everybody would agree that, if people own cats, those cats will probably kill innocent sentient (and the scientific consensus is that all birds and mammals are sentient) animals. So, why do cats deserve to live? Don't you think the world would be a better place if cats didn't exist?

I have started this discussion on several forums by now, for example, here and here.
Uhh....no.  Cats are to be loved and rewarded every time they catch a filthy mouse.  We live out in the country and we have huge problems with mice in our area, they carry hantavirus.  Every year several people catch it while cleaning out pantries and closets and die.  We have had a huge mouse problem this year.  They have gotten into our large walk-in pantry and destroyed food and made a huge mess.  We just acquired 3 cats and they are doing a bang-up job catching them. They get a special treat when they do.  

The concept of evil does not apply to animals like cats and mice as they don't have volition as we do.  Cats do what they do because they are programmed to do it and so do mice.  Mice aren't saying to each other, hey let's make a big mess and spread hantavirus to humans.  They just act on instinct.  

I don't think you are being serious at all but this is a real sore point for me right now as I can't clean up until they are all dealt with and I have to wear a special mask when I do.   

Oh, and I'm fully aware that if I died and nobody found me, yes my cats would eat me.  But I'll be dead so I won't care.  Eat away cats.
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#23
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
I love cats!! Unlike dogs, they actually have expectations for our relationship, although, at their core, they are merciless, cold-blooded killers. Mice, on the other hand, are constantly having sex, and, so, cats predating mice are a necessary part of the ecological system, at least until the Democrats provide free birth control to the mice, limiting their population that way.
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#24
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
Feed the rats to the cats, the cats to the dogs, and the dogs to the children.
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#25
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
No.

There are plenty of human-sized rodents that should be culled before we look at smaller rodents.

Also, cats are better than people.
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#26
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
(November 27, 2022 at 9:31 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: No.

There are plenty of human-sized rodents that should be culled before we look at smaller rodents. True.

Also, cats are better than people. Disagree.

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#27
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
Quote:What was the last time some disease spreaded from rodents to humans? I can think of three times when it spreaded from bats to humans, all in recent history: EBOLA, SARS and COVID-19. As far as I know, no recent epidemic or pandemic came from rodents. Bats are far more dangerous.
Rats and Mice are disease carriers 

https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/pdf/hps_brochure.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/rodents/diseases/index.html

https://www.orkin.com/pests/rodents/mous...mice-carry

Quote:What do you mean? You mean all the animals killed on the roads? Well, we are, unlike cats, not doing it intentionally and we are trying to minimize that. Cats are not trying to minimize the amount of sentient animals they kill, to the contrary.
How all the animals we freaking eat or have hunted to extinction.

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#28
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
(November 27, 2022 at 10:25 pm)Fireball Wrote:
(November 27, 2022 at 9:31 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: No.

There are plenty of human-sized rodents that should be culled before we look at smaller rodents. True.

Also, cats are better than people. Disagree.

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#29
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:People regularly contract diseases from rodents, including (but not limited to) hantavirus, tularemia, leptospirosis, monkeypox, and Lassa fever.
I must admit I never heard of those things.
BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:FYI, bats are not rodents.
I know that. My argument was if the contacts between rodents and humans are to be controlled for the sake of disease control, then the same goes even more for contacts between bats and humans. Rodents have caused zero pandemics in recent history, bats have caused three.
Bats, as far as I understand it, have a very different immune system from other mammals, because of having a very fast metabolism. In most mammals, the immune system is focused on eliminating the viruses from the body. In bats, the immune system is focused on making the virus coexist harmlessly with the body. Thus, the viruses can evolve in bats to be much more deadly and contagious than they can in other mammals, because strains that would immediately kill other mammals can spread between bats. It's like leaky vaccines such as for Marek's disease lead to more deadly and contagious strains: bat immune system acts as if it was vaccinated with a leaky vaccine. That's why many pandemics start with bats.
BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:How many would die from rodent-borne diseases if it weren’t for cats?
And cats help against rodent-borne diseases... how exactly? If a cat eats an infected rodent, it becomes infected itself, right?
BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:We deliberately kill billions of birds and mammals every year for food and and for industrial raw materials, and have caused the extinction of thousands of species through the expansion of our own.
Yet no human being is as blood-thirsty as a cat is. No human being would, if they sees a mouse, run after it and tear it apart using their teeth. And almost every cat would do that if it sees a mouse.
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#30
RE: Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice?
Quote:I know that. My argument was if the contacts between rodents and humans are to be controlled for the sake of disease control, then the same goes even more for contacts between bats and humans. Rodents have caused zero pandemics in recent history, bats have caused three.

Bats, as far as I understand it, have a very different immune system from other mammals, because of having a very fast metabolism. In most mammals, the immune system is focused on eliminating the viruses from the body. In bats, the immune system is focused on making the virus coexist harmlessly with the body. Thus, the viruses can evolve in bats to be much more deadly and contagious than they can in other mammals, because strains that would immediately kill other mammals can spread between bats. It's like leaky vaccines such as for Marek's disease lead to more deadly and contagious strains: bat immune system acts as if it was vaccinated with a leaky vaccine. That's why many pandemics start with bats.
Just because it doesn't cause a pandemic doesn't mean you want it around.


Quote:And cats help against rodent-borne diseases... how exactly? If a cat eats an infected rodent, it becomes infected itself, right?
Nope,  most of the common bacterial infections cats are immune to and this can further be helped by vaccines and anti-parasite treatments.


Quote:Yet no human being is as blood-thirsty as a cat is. No human being would, if they sees a mouse, run after it and tear it apart using their teeth. And almost every cat would do that if it sees a mouse.
Humans are probably the cruelest most bloodthirsty creatures on this planet. Our capacity to inflict harm on our own kind and other species is without rival
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