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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 28, 2023 at 9:08 pm
(January 28, 2023 at 8:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 28, 2023 at 8:27 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I can defeat any amount of goodness in his ability to predict my decision by randomizing my decision, So if he is really good at predicting my decisions, he would predict I would decide to make a random decision that he can not predict except by random chance.
According to the conundrum, the Predictor knows, without possibility of error, which choice you will make. Randomness is not a factor.
When answering a paradox, the respondents are not permitted to add provisos of their own.
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If my choice is not to make the choice myself but let a flip of the coin decide?
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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 28, 2023 at 9:36 pm
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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 28, 2023 at 9:37 pm
I feel boxed in.
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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 28, 2023 at 9:39 pm
Just think outside the box.
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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 28, 2023 at 9:50 pm
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(January 28, 2023 at 3:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I misread the OP - choosing Box A only is not an option. In that case, choosing both boxes is a marginally better option, as you’re guaranteed at least $1000. Choosing Box B only gives you a 50% chance of walking away with bupkis.
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I agree that, per the prediction the Predictor makes, two-boxing always yields the better outcome. However, how I see it is like this:
1. If I choose Box B only, there is an incredibly high chance of walking away with $1000000 since the Predictor would've most probably predicted I would do so.
2. If I two-box instead, there is an incredibly high chance of only getting $1000 since the Predictor would've most probably predicted I would do so, and therefore Box B would contain nothing.
Therefore, it seems like one-boxing is the way to go. Sure, two-boxing instead of one-boxing would net me $1001000 if the Predictor predicts wrongly that I would one-box, but it seems to me like there is an incredibly low chance of that happening.
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The crazy thing about this just now is that while I'm feeling confident about my answer here (and so have posted this), I'm also now in two minds about this. I feel like I contradicted myself, soo let me think about this more to make sure I didn't.
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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 28, 2023 at 10:25 pm
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Let's consider the following:
Suppose you are familiar with puzzle and realize it's always better to two-box (since once you're in front of the two boxes, the prediction has already been made, and no matter what the prediction would be, you always net more by two-boxing).
One day, you actually end up in this scenario yourself. So since you're familiar with the puzzle, and you've already concluded that two-boxing is the way to go, you are most likely going to get $1000, which is better than nothing, of course. And if by luck, the Predictor ended up making a wrong prediction here, then you end up with the big gain of $1,001,000.
But this is about odds here as well, and not just about what nets the biggest gain. And you are more likely to get $1,000,000 by one-boxing than $1,001,000 by two-boxing.
Hence, I still go with one-boxing ... for now.
Though I'm seeing more and more what's tricky about this problem.
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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 29, 2023 at 4:56 am
(January 28, 2023 at 9:08 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (January 28, 2023 at 8:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: According to the conundrum, the Predictor knows, without possibility of error, which choice you will make. Randomness is not a factor.
When answering a paradox, the respondents are not permitted to add provisos of their own.
Boru
If my choice is not to make the choice myself but let a flip of the coin decide?
That still involves a choice - you have to decide which side of the coin represents which box. The Predictor will still pre-know the outcome.
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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 29, 2023 at 9:54 am
(January 28, 2023 at 8:02 pm)Tomato Wrote: I'm not choosing a box.
Have you considered that you might be a box?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 30, 2023 at 2:38 am
Ok, Who took all my boxes from my attic?!
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RE: Newcomb's Paradox
January 30, 2023 at 5:39 am
(January 30, 2023 at 2:38 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Ok, Who took all my boxes from my attic?!
Schroedinger. I suspect that you may or may not be missing some cats as well.
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