is it healthier to eat no meat?

[Secular Elf]

Hi all, hope you are all doing good these days. I have had a few people in a cooking forum I am a part of tell me its healthier to eat no meat with healthy food having a plant based food regimen while most of them were saying you need meat with healthy foods witch is healthier then having no meat at all. I prefer to eat what is heathier either way so witch one is it if anyone here knows? Also a exersize site I am a member of said its healthier to eat no meat and that you can still acheive the gains you want with no meat so that makes me think there may be something to it. Also years ago on the aint no god forum(the owner was steve rider) that I was a member of, I think if i remember right I made a thread about this or something similar and someone told me about this man proffeshional body builder who apperently proved or showed that you don't need meat to be healthy or look muscular. He made a book about it and that made him famous. I dont recall his name.

According to a science article I read a few years back, our remotest ancestors (pre-hominid) were frugivores (fruit eaters). Seeing how we have evolved into omnivores, where our environmental conditions eventually shaped us into foraging for both plant and animal sources of food, as hunters were not always successful in gaining meat for the campfire. A full meat diet I would think, would not be healthy, as our gut biome may not handle that, nor the same for a completely veggie diet. I guess it depends how varied the sources of your meals are. I do not eat meat with every meal, but on occasion I do enjoy a good juicy hamburger with everything on it, Burger King Whoppers being my favorite. I am not a prime specimen of humanity though, as at the age of 59 I take prescripts for high blood pressure, cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, and am disabled from a work accident for the past 10 years. I have friends who are foodies, so besides my own cooking I eat good. Eat what you like and want, within modesty. To each their own.

[The Grand Nudger]

It used to take alot more exercise to get meat. I'd wager that there was a wave of unhealthy people everytime some tribe discovered the bow, in addition to the longer lasting effects of accumulation of previously fatal constellations of defects in the mating pool.

[arewethereyet]

Beef lettuce wraps ftw.  The greens cancel out the meat cancerlupuscrohns.  That's how it all works.

Good to know.  Now I can feel good about the beef tacos I just ate.  The lettuce cancels out the bad stuff.

[The Grand Nudger]

Taco meat on french fries with cheese. Perfect semi vegetarian meal - and not a foul gluten demon in sight!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Taco meat on french fries with cheese.  Perfect semi vegetarian meal - and not a foul gluten demon in sight!

Some time ago, a local home centre advertised ‘Wire Mesh Fencing - All Sizes - Guaranteed Gluten-Free’.

Boru

[Angrboda]

I don't think evolution works like that.

[FlatAssembler]

Beef lettuce wraps ftw.  The greens cancel out the meat cancerlupuscrohns.  That's how it all works.

You can perhaps say that about heart health. Maybe saturated fat aren't a problem if you get enough Vitamin K from the greens, as Vitamin K decreases the likelihood of cholesterol being calcified. I don't think that's supported by evidence, as there seems to be a limit above which Vitamin K has no effect, and people taking that much Vitamin K still get atherosclerosis, but at least you don't sound crazy for saying that.

But saying that about colon cancer... Which mechanism are you proposing? What from the greens can offset the effect of heme iron?

[Angrboda]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I like to pour heme iron sauce over my deep-fried sesame seed flambé.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Beef lettuce wraps ftw.  The greens cancel out the meat cancerlupuscrohns.  That's how it all works.

You can perhaps say that about heart health. Maybe saturated fat aren't a problem if you get enough Vitamin K from the greens, as Vitamin K decreases the likelihood of cholesterol being calcified. I don't think that's supported by evidence, as there seems to be a limit above which Vitamin K has no effect, and people taking that much Vitamin K still get atherosclerosis, but at least you don't sound crazy for saying that.

But saying that about colon cancer... Which mechanism are you proposing? What from the greens can offset the effect of heme iron?

Simple, the mechanism by which you'll run with any old thing I propose no matter how absurd it is.