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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 7:52 am
None of these numbers mean anything. The 90% of people who believe in gods and the 6% of people who don’t have an exactly equal chance of being right.
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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 7:53 am
(June 16, 2023 at 12:01 am)Belacqua Wrote: (June 15, 2023 at 11:26 pm)Tomato Wrote: Argumentum ad populum.
Just because a majority believes something to be true doesn't make it true. Atheism does not need to appeal to everyone, or a majority of the population, to be considered true.
Numbers aren't proof but they are often evidence.
A statement's truth does not correlate with it's popularity. Comforting fictions abound.
Instead I offer you a more interesting and durable test of truth. Truths converge upon the underlying reality. Falsehoods diverge from it. Religions schism hell west and crooked while atheism remains largely unchanged.
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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 7:54 am
Religion doesn’t require good works or “absence of sin” - and that’s a good thing for the religious - as good works are thin on the ground and shiftiness by any name is abundant.
You do have a good point, though…and one where you may want to reflect on your own sage advice. Atheism doesn’t require anything. It doesn’t lead to anything. Just means we take fairy tales a little less seriously than you.
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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 7:55 am
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(July 8, 2023 at 7:38 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: But, the thing here is: Europeans, Africans, Asians all know this equally, that excessive gluttony etc is wrong, and exercise is necessary. That's why we all exercise, or at least know that we should. But the proportion of Atheists in much of Africa (2%), in Latin America (4%), Middle East and North Africa (less than 1%) is very different from those in parts of Europe and regions of China still under Communist influence; it's obvious Atheism has very limited appeal, to very limited demographics, and only in those cultural contexts where Militant Atheism (of Europeans like Marx and Nietzche etc, whose false ideas are now taking their toll, and whose ideas also spread to Communist countries) has had influence, and where parties like the Communist CCP encourage Atheism/persecute Christians and Muslims, and other religious people. Even there, Christianity grows.
It is interesting to look at the demographics. Religion withers anywhere that's prosperous. No need for the peddlers of false hope when you have the real thing. Meanwhile it continues to prey on the uneducated and impoverished. This says a lot about your religion's moral compass.
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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 8:39 am
(July 8, 2023 at 7:53 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Religions schism hell west and crooked while atheism remains largely unchanged.
hell west? You mean it used to be in the east? What?
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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 8:48 am
(July 8, 2023 at 7:38 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: But, the thing here is: Europeans, Africans, Asians all know this equally, that excessive gluttony etc is wrong, and exercise is necessary. That's why we all exercise, or at least know that we should. But the proportion of Atheists in much of Africa (2%), in Latin America (4%), Middle East and North Africa (less than 1%) is very different from those in parts of Europe and regions of China still under Communist influence; it's obvious Atheism has very limited appeal, to very limited demographics, and only in those cultural contexts where Militant Atheism (of Europeans like Marx and Nietzche etc, whose false ideas are now taking their toll, and whose ideas also spread to Communist countries) has had influence, and where parties like the Communist CCP encourage Atheism/persecute Christians and Muslims, and other religious people. Even there, Christianity grows. And again you demonstrate that you neither listen nor learn. Remember how we explained to you that Atheism has nothing to do with Communisem et al? Remember how you tried to save face claiming that Atheism is "compatible" with all of this?
After having those conversations, after giving you those lectures, it is safe to assume that you are intellectually dishonest. You are making arguments and claims of which you MUST know by now they are false.
You are a liar, plain and simple.
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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 8:52 am
Is lying even bad, though, if you do it for Christ?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 9:28 am
Your comprehension skills are completely non-existent.
I hope you don't have kids.
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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 9:52 am
To Deese the Militant Atheist: Right back at you, liar. You're the liar and I'm going to ignore your future posts from now on if you keep up the insults. If you think Communism and Atheism have nothing to do with each other, that's willful blindness on your part. While it's true that not every Atheist is a Communist, it's also true that almost all Communists are Atheists, and Communists have arguably done more than Non-Communist Atheists for the spread of Atheism, especially Militant Atheism that falsely claims religion or religious people are evil. Whether you're a Communist Atheist or a Darwinist Atheist is like whether you're an Evangelical Christian or a Catholic Christian. Most Marxists/Communists are Atheists, period, and all your No True Scotsman Fallacies will avail nothing. Here are some facts for you: "Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on State interests.[1] Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union ... According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[131][132] At least 106,300 Russian clergymen were executed between 1937 and 1941.[133]"
Your Communist Atheists caused some 20 MN of us Christians to be killed, an Eastern Christian Holocaust about 3 times worse than the western Holocaust in Europe under Nazism. That your western education system does not teach you these things shows the Communist influence still in it. If people knew Atheists killed/martyred/murdered some 20 MN Christians in just the last century, Militant Atheism would not spread in the West.
GN, I said, abstinence from sin, not "absence". You know, like fasting etc during Lent, and throughout the year, to prevail over gluttony, and even much more than just that. Abstinence from sin, all sin, and persistence in good works, especially Alms-Giving or Charity as commanded in Mat 25 by Jesus Christ hte Lord, is required to go to Heaven, according to Jesus Christ and His Church. there are some preachers who misguidedly and mistakenly attack good works, but Catholic Doctrine is that they are mistaken; this is also the clear teaching of Jesus Christ, as I proved from Mat 25, where He says only those who do good works, like love Him in the Poor, feed Him in the hungry, etc, only, in a word, those who love God and love their neighbor, will be blessed and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. This is also how St. Augustine, St. Basil etc understood the passage:
St. Augustine: "Be particularly mindful of the poor, so that what you take from yourself by living sparingly you may lay away in heavenly treasures.
Let the needy Christ [i.e. the needy Poor Person] receive that of which the fasting Christian deprives himself.
Let the self-restraint of the willing soul be the sustenance of the one in need.
Let the voluntary neediness of the one possessing an abundance become the necessary abundance of the one in need."
St. Basil the Great: "The bread in your cupboard belongs to the hungry man; the coat hanging unused in your closet belongs to the man who needs it; the shoes rotting in your closet belong to the man who has no shoes; the money which you put in the bank belongs to the poor. You do wrong to everyone you could help, but fail to help.”
Since the 16th Century, the Absolute and Indispensable Necessity of Good Works for Attaining Salvation has been attacked on the false pretext of Grace, as though True Grace were an excuse for Miserliness and Licentiousness. The Church Fathers unanimously reject such a grotesque falsehood, and the Catholic Church teaches no one can interpret Scripture contrary to the unanimous teaching of the Church Fathers. Yet, many Christians, of all denominations, especially those who frequently read the teaching of Christ in the Gospel, know Goods Works are needed and practice them. Jesus Christ most plainly said to store up Treasure in Heaven by Good Works like giving Alms to the Poor.
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RE: Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends.
July 8, 2023 at 9:57 am
Most communists were Christians. Whether they remained Christians is unknowable, but it's likely, as with the Conversos -- Jews who converted to escape persecution -- they professed atheism out of fear rather than conviction.
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