Islam owns atheism with a single verse

[Bucky Ball]

LOL, 
It does, you are just too dense to get why. 
Theism is incoherent because it's god had qualities which are definable, 
BEFORE the Creator creates anything. 

It's not clear that there is a before here. Maybe God was always creating things for eternity. 

You god is "good", before a creator creates or defines goodness. 
Your eternal god found it's eternal qualities BEFORE anything is created. 
The question remains. Where did the Reality your god found itself in, come from ?

Since reality includes God in this hypothetical, reality is also eternal, and so didn't come from anything because it always there. Reality never came into existence.

See, your question wasn't that hard after all, nor does it prove that theism is incoherent.

a god can't be the creator of the Reality itself exists in.

Yes, and that's not a problem. Because then God creating reality would be logically impossible, since reality includes God Himself. (God creating Himself is obviously a logical impossibility)

And Got not being able to do something logically impossible isn't a problem.

There you go, the entirety of your argument against theism just fell apart and vanished. 

"Was always" is a temporal concept. Fail. 

Since reality includes God in this hypothetical, reality is also eternal, and so didn't come from anything because it always there. Reality never came into existence

That exactly the same problem. Thanks for making my point for me. 

Yes, and that's not a problem. Because then God creating reality would be logically impossible, since reality includes God Himself. (God creating Himself is obviously a logical impossibility)

You just contradicted yourself. 
If god didn't create Reality, then where did it come from ?and your god is no god if it didn't create Reality, and is First Cause of nothing. 

Unfortunately your delusion is not satisfied, and you have answered NOTHING. 
Maybe you'll do better next time.

[Bucky Ball]

If reality has always existed, then both First Cause and Infinite Regress can be dispensed with.

Boru

Not really. There could be an eternal first cause, which means reality always existed since it would at least contain this first cause.

 Don't be stupid. Causation is an EVENT, and eternal causation is meaningless. 
You can make up shit from here to kingdom come. It's hilarious how desperate you are.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What Bucky said.

Boru

[Bucky Ball]

Not really. There could be an eternal first cause, which means reality always existed since it would at least contain this first cause.

 Don't be stupid. Causation is an EVENT, and eternal causation is meaningless. 
You can make up shit from here to kingdom come. It's hilarious how desperate you are.

You're still missing the POINT. 
If there is a First Cause, it must create Reality, or it's not a First Cause. 
If there is a Reality which "contains" the first cause, it's meaningless, as the First Cause "contained in Reality" which it causes, ,,, creates itself. 
Ir's really not that difficult.

[no one]

god is complete make believe. Nothing you ever say will change that.

We get it, you're frightened. You desperately want your existence to matter, you cannot face the fact that it doesn't.

[The Valkyrie]

The whole concept of this deity disproves omniscience.

Um.. why ?

Because, according to the mythology, it created humans knowing they were flawed and knowing it would have to destroy them over and over again. But still did it.

Don't use the " free will" cop-out in response.

And, according to your version of the mythology, it created multiple "prophets" each with a different version of the message.

Why not create the correct version in the first place?

[Gwaithmir]

Until you can prove that Mohammad really ascended to heaven on a winged horse, 

If you're an atheist you need to take a step back and discuss God's existence instead.

Fine. Prove that God exists.

The burden of proof lies on he who alleges. Religious people should know that I’m perfectly willing to believe in god(s), ghosts, mediums, demons, angels, spirits, channeling, miracles, horoscopes, astrology, psychics, Ouija boards, the supernatural, and anything else for that matter as long as they adhere to one proviso: Prove it! Don’t give me speculation, guesses, hopes, dreams, wishes, desires, beliefs, faith (or appeals to faith), or indoctrinations. Don’t give me one-time-only, non-repeatable, non-testable events. Don’t give me internal alterations in one’s psychology or physiology that can’t be tested observed, or demonstrated, only felt or believed. And don’t give me effects that can’t be clearly related to the supposed cause.

I have no objection to believing in a god as long as proof based upon a rational standard of knowledge is forthcoming. Is that too much to ask? But surely theists can’t expect me to adopt their beliefs on the basis of what has been presented thus far. Every “proof” I’ve heard and every piece of evidence I’ve seen for the existence of god(s) is easily countered by rational evidence and arguments to the contrary. No convincing evidence for the existence of any deity has ever emerged. But I’m more than willing to listen to theistic arguments or view theistic evidence as long as cross-examination is permitted. As conditions now stand, theology rests far more on superstition and faith than upon facts and reason.

[Ravenshire]

Please grow up and don't waste our time.

Said the ass-hat with an imaginary friend.

[arewethereyet]

Has the ownership happened and I missed it? Things have been a bit hectic in my life lately. I don't want to miss it when it happens.

[Nay_Sayer]

Has the ownership happened and I missed it?  Things have been a bit hectic in my life lately.  I don't want to miss it when it happens.

Actually, the pastafarians own both Islam and Atheism I have a scan of the original deed of ownership