Islam owns atheism with a single verse

[Bucky Ball]

Now all you have to do is to prove your god exists, ... take your time, ... and we'll be all good with this rubbish. 
You're playing checkers against the demented guy in the park. 
We get it's quite a challenge for you.
You're very good at these attempts at pretending you have an argument. Instead of actually responding or making an argument,
Your irrelevant blusterings are not arguments.

BTW, congratulations on all the people your religion of peace got killed by the suicide bomber in Afghanistan the other day.

It takes a lot of preliminary work to present an argument. It also takes smart and well-mannered people to understand the argument that is being presented.

I am not going to present my best work here for you to crap on it with even more Robert Spencer links, or for other morons like you to flood the thread with all kinds of anti-Islam allegations. Sometimes it only takes hours for an answer of mine to get lost in pages upon pages of insulting comments and gratuitous slurs.

Whoever made the rules of this forum did a huge a disservice to it by allowing insults and open blasphemy even in the threads made by theists. I'm convinced now there will never be a decent environment here for any kind of genuine, fruitful discussion.

Very good. Get lost. You said you're done with me, yet you aren't. Liar. 
"Open blasphemy" .... LOLOL. There can be no blasphemy if there are no gods. Get it ? It's very simple. 
Prove there are gods. It's a pretty sorry state that your gods are so insecure and weak, they are actually offended and have their perfection disturbed by blasphemy.

Thanks for doing EXACTLY what I said above. No arguments, just blustering rubbish.

"Oh, I have really really good arguments, but I'm not telling them to you because they might get lost". LOLOL


"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

"Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)

"Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)

""Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)

"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him.
Interestingly they have become part of the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.

Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed." No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; " This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.

Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.

Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why ban thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives?..." Another remarkable verse of sexual convenience concerns an episode in which Muhammad's wives were jealous of the attention that he was giving to a Christian slave girl. But, as he pointed out to them, to neglect the sexual availability of his slaves was against Allah's will for him!

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.

And YOU dare talk about "morality".

[The Architect Of Fate]

It takes a lot of preliminary work to present an argument.

No not really I mean it probably does for you but you're a special case 

 It also takes smart and well-mannered people to understand the argument that is being presented.

Ah, so that explains it. As you are neither of that thing.

I am not going to present my best work here for you to crap on it with even more Robert Spencer links, or for other morons like you to flood the thread with all kinds of anti-Islam allegations. 

So you have no arguments and no ability to counter anyone elses ....Gotcha 

Sometimes it only takes hours for an answer of mine to get lost in pages upon pages of insulting comments and gratuitous slurs.

Yes because your answer is so stupid it's worthy of insult as your answers insult the intelligence of the reader 

Whoever made the rules of this forum did a huge a disservice to it by allowing insults and open blasphemy even in the threads made by theists.

Free speech buddy sorry we're not some Islamist theocratic state where they murder people for having opinions you don't like 

If freedom bothers you there is the door 

 I'm convinced now there will never be a decent environment here for any kind of genuine, fruitful discussion.

No there is plenty of that here just not with you because you lack any of the preconditions for having and I doubt you ever will.

[Simon Moon]

Sounds like a yes to me.  Jesus christ you're a terrible person..aren't you?  I wouldn't leave one of my kids in your care.  You'd probably cornhole them within minutes....

I didn't know cornholing kids is wrong according to atheism. Please share with us your holy moral book of atheism, it has to be some fine masterpiece.

I also think "terrible person" is hard to parse in your worldview. Terrible... according to whom? why should anybody's opinion matter to me.. especially if it's unfounded .? The religious may judge someone to be terrible if they repeatedly go against their holy book... and you ?

All atheism is, is the position of not being convinced that gods exist. Atheism has no: holy books, leaders, doctrine, or dogma.

Atheism does not say anything about any other subject.

That is why there are other, secular frameworks for morality, like Secular Humanism as one example.

All one with a modicum of empathy has to do, to know molesting children is wrong, is to care about the well being others. And since homo sapiens are a social species, our evolution has lead most of us to care about the well being of others. No gods necessary.

If you need a book in order to know molesting children is wrong, then by all means, continue to believe your crap mythology.

Actually, I molest kids as often as I want to. And the amount I want to is zero.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and all you need to know whether or not you’re speaking to a terrible person…is that they even had to ask. I mean…seems pretty well founded, what with loaded founding it himself.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

-and all you need to know whether or not you’re speaking to a terrible person…is that they even had to ask.  I mean…seems pretty well founded, what with loaded founding it himself.

They DO oddly fixated on on kiddie fiddling. I mean, they think about it a lot. Like a creepy amount. It’s almost as if they’re sexually obsessed with children or something.

Whereas we non-theistic types don’t even consider it a moral dilemma. Rape a child, go to prison.

Boru

[Loaded dice]

You are welcome to go find a forum that better suits your needs.

It takes a lot of work to write any kind of defense for theism, if you don't show any respect for this work, you're going to lose a lot of people -precisely those who are willing to put up some effort into what they're writing. Disrespect is not good for business.. huh ? I never thought I would need to spell that out, but apparently some people here are too stupid to realize it by themselves.

I went through some recent threads in the "Atheism" forum, and it made me sad to see some members here congratulating each other for Nishant Xavier getting banned. I profoundly disagree with the guy's religion and most of what he wrote, but he clearly put up an awful lot of work in his threads. I am not opposed to him getting banned because he may have broken some rules, but the attitude of many members here, including you, towards him while he was in this forum, was very inappropriate -to put it charitably. He may have not presented groundbreaking insights about christianity, but the forum definitely didn't deserve him.

On a more personal note, an entire thread of mine was deleted some hour ago in the Islam forum, which took me almost an hour to write, supposedly because I included links and thus broke the 30/30 rule. Fine, delete the links and leave the thread. Instead, the entire thread was erased.

As retaliation for this startling abuse of power, you can count me out, for good.

[Bucky Ball]

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 It also takes smart and well-mannered people to understand the argument that is being presented.

LOL. 
It takes good manners to understand this one. 
Well, in that case, I'll be off to charm school, right quick.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You are welcome to go find a forum that better suits your needs.

It takes a lot of work to write any kind of defense for theism, if you don't show any respect for this work, you're going to lose a lot of people -precisely those who are willing to put up some effort into what they're writing. Disrespect is not good for business.. huh ? I never thought I would need to spell that out, but apparently some people here are too stupid to realize it by themselves.

I went through some recent threads in the "Atheism" forum, and it made me sad to see some members here congratulating each other for Nishant Xavier getting banned. I profoundly disagree with the guy's religion and most of what he wrote, but he clearly put

up an awful lot of work in his threads. I am not opposed to him getting banned because he may have broken some rules, but the attitude of many members here, including you, towards him while he was in this forum, was very inappropriate -to put it charitably. He may have not presented groundbreaking insights about christianity, but the forum definitely didn't deserve him.

On a more personal note, an entire thread of mine was deleted some hour ago in the Islam forum, which took me almost an hour to write, supposedly because I included links and thus broke the 30/30 rule. Fine, delete the links and leave the thread. Instead, the entire thread was erased.

As retaliation for this startling abuse of power, you can count me out, for good.

You’re welcome.  

Boru

[Bucky Ball]

You are welcome to go find a forum that better suits your needs.

It takes a lot of work to write any kind of defense for theism, if you don't show any respect for this work, you're going to lose a lot of people -precisely those who are willing to put up some effort into what they're writing. Disrespect is not good for business.. huh ? I never thought I would need to spell that out, but apparently some people here are too stupid to realize it by themselves.

I went through some recent threads in the "Atheism" forum, and it made me sad to see some members here congratulating each other for Nishant Xavier getting banned. I profoundly disagree with the guy's religion and most of what he wrote, but he clearly put up an awful lot of work in his threads. I am not opposed to him getting banned because he may have broken some rules, but the attitude of many members here, including you, towards him while he was in this forum, was very inappropriate -to put it charitably. He may have not presented groundbreaking insights about christianity, but the forum definitely didn't deserve him.

On a more personal note, an entire thread of mine was deleted some hour ago in the Islam forum, which took me almost an hour to write, supposedly because I included links and thus broke the 30/30 rule. Fine, delete the links and leave the thread. Instead, the entire thread was erased.

As retaliation for this startling abuse of power, you can count me out, for good.

Waa waa waa. 
It's YOUR job to know the rules. 
Did you forget your pills today ?

[arewethereyet]

You are welcome to go find a forum that better suits your needs.

It takes a lot of work to write any kind of defense for theism, if you don't show any respect for this work, you're going to lose a lot of people -precisely those who are willing to put up some effort into what they're writing. Disrespect is not good for business.. huh ? I never thought I would need to spell that out, but apparently some people here are too stupid to realize it by themselves.

I went through some recent threads in the "Atheism" forum, and it made me sad to see some members here congratulating each other for Nishant Xavier getting banned. I profoundly disagree with the guy's religion and most of what he wrote, but he clearly put up an awful lot of work in his threads. I am not opposed to him getting banned because he may have broken some rules, but the attitude of many members here, including you, towards him while he was in this forum, was very inappropriate -to put it charitably. He may have not presented groundbreaking insights about christianity, but the forum definitely didn't deserve him.

On a more personal note, an entire thread of mine was deleted some hour ago in the Islam forum, which took me almost an hour to write, supposedly because I included links and thus broke the 30/30 rule. Fine, delete the links and leave the thread. Instead, the entire thread was erased.

As retaliation for this startling abuse of power, you can count me out, for good.

Your thread post was deleted because you altered a message made by a staff member.

But you lie to yourself however you have to, Skippy.

Oh, and I do not give a good god damn that you don't like my attitude.  Really DGAF.