Paschal's Wager re-formulated mathematically: why being Christian is Rational.

[Bucky Ball]

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The purpose of the NPW is rather to show that Christianity is a rational choice 
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Christianity is an impossible choice because it advocates for a logical impossiblity : God is three entities and one entity at the same time.

Yours is a moon-god. Much worse.
Originally the Qur'an said Allah had three divine daughters, (just as the god "Sin" did) ... the Satanic verses.
Lets not try to sweep that under the rug.

[Bucky Ball]

As I understand it, Pascals wager says you you should believe in god because you might win and cand can't lose (simplified I know) but by the same argument you should also believe in ALL the other thousands of gods people have believed in in the past.
Makes no sense

The wager assumes that you can just turn on a dime and say you believe when you don't. Their god is so fucking stupid it doesn't know if you really believe or just say you do. 
No one who doesn't believe can just turn it on, due to a threat. How stupid is this crap ?

What is interesting is that NZ has so little knowledge of and respect for religious faith, and that even proposing this OP he has such little regard for the depth of faith and what it means for people.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you disagree, pls explain where and why, with reasons of your own. Thanks.

Regards,
Xavier.

Yo, Drano-breath, you're an idiot.

[zebo-the-fat]

As I understand it, Pascals wager says you you should believe in god because you might win and cand can't lose (simplified I know) but by the same argument you should also believe in ALL the other thousands of gods people have believed in in the past.
Makes no sense

The wager assumes that you can just turn on a dime and say you believe when you don't. Their god is so fucking stupid it doesn't know if you really believe or just say you do. 
No one who doesn't believe can just turn it on, due to a threat. How stupid is this crap ?

What is interesting is that NZ has so little knowledge of and respect for religious faith, and that even proposing this OP he has such little regard for the depth of faith and what it means for people.

True, if you point a gun at my head and tell me I must believe, then yes I will say "I believe" I'll say all the correct magic words and stuff... but I won't really believe. The only way to make me believe is to provide some believable, testable, convincing evidence (theists have been trying and failing to do that for the last 68 years!)

[Nishant Xavier]

Will be back after work to respond in more detail later on, but for those of who you know the Mathematical Theory of Expected Value, you know that the argument works when the Reward is extremely high, as Eternal Reward, unless in fact the risk outweighs the reward and the probability is exceeding low.

Let me explain Expected Value with an example. You have a 50% chance of gain $100, but a 50% chance of losing only $50 in a game. Would you play? Maths says you should, as Expected Value is positive.

1. Expected Value is calculated like this: 50%*100-50%*50=50-25=25>0. Since EV is positive, then you should play the game with these odds.

What if it was something like 40% of winning 100, 60% of losing 50. You should still play. Why? Because EV is still positive.

2. EV in this case would be: 40%*100-60%50=40-30=10. Which is a lower expected value than the above, but is still positive.

This is a well known concept in Mathematics and Probability used in various fields.

Now, do understand the argument before strawmanning. I'm not claiming, even if Christianity has no probability of being correct, we should still be Christian. Rather, if from the other arguments, Cosmology, Contingency, Fine-Tuning, the Moral Argument, Messianic Prophecies, Evidence for Christ's Resurrection, 2000 years of Miracles by Lord Jesus in scientifically documented Eucharistic Miracles, the Shroud of Turin, Mother Mary in Her Apparitions like Gaudalupe and Fatima and Medjugorje more recently witnessed by 1000s, of Christian Saints in Evangelism like St. Patrick did in Ireland etc and what's happened in more Africa more recently, if all these put together bring us to even 50% certainty that Christianity rather than Atheism could be true, it then logically follows that being a Christian is the most rational choice given the risk and reward on offer in these circumstances. For the same reason as in the above game.

This is very obvious, but jff let's plug in the figures with what I mentioned earlier to see the result:

3. EV in the case of Christianity and Atheism, where other arguments have shown each to be at least equiprobable:

And we'll continue to go with Eternal Happiness being like +1TN dollars, and leaving aside the risk of Eternal Loss, Atheism being like 1000 dollars, because of Sundays Free, or whatever else Atheists think is good about Atheism.

50%(1 TN) - 50% (1000) = 500 BN-500 ~500 BN. So since Expected Value is positive, of course the conclusion follows. It is mathematically inescapable. If you knew what Expected Value was, you'd know this. Anyone who knows it or reads about and researches it is more than welcome to challenge me if he thinks otherwise. The conclusion is certain, dead certain.

[no one]

More incessant blathering drivel.

Answer any question using your own words, not some copy and paste pointless irrelevant cherry picked absurdities.

Are all the toilets clean now?

[Nishant Xavier]

It cannot be copied from anywhere, Militant Atheist, because a mathematical formulation of Pascal's Wager has never been made before as far as I know. I don't think Expected Value was even fully developed in his time, but it is today. You should worry not about toilets but about going to Heaven and avoiding Hell. As for me, I'll continue to work hard for temporal rewards in this life, and for spiritual rewards in Eternity to come, as everyone who is wise also should.

[Foxaèr]

Keep living the fantasy.

[no one]

Your skills of comprehension are fucking nonexistent, moron.

I am not worried about hell, because it doesn't exist.

[h4ym4n]

It cannot be copied from anywhere, Militant Atheist, because a mathematical formulation of Pascal's Wager has never been made before as far as I know. I don't think Expected Value was even fully developed in his time, but it is today. You should worry not about toilets but about going to Heaven and avoiding Hell. As for me, I'll continue to work hard for temporal rewards in this life, and for spiritual rewards in Eternity to come, as everyone who is wise also should.

Isn't being aborted and instant paradise a better wager then rolling the dice and chancing to be good enough for 80-90 year to get rewarded of not being tortured for all eternity?

Really interested in hearing your own words please Xavier