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Revelation 20:4
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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:08 pm
(July 30, 2023 at 2:07 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(July 30, 2023 at 1:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You really don’t. It helps, but it isn’t necessary.

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Studying the Bible isn't necessary to disprove Christianity?

Don't you have homework to do?
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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:11 pm
(July 30, 2023 at 2:00 pm)Tomato Wrote: Dine at a Greek restaurant. Maybe the staff will know something.

I think I understand why the Greek original used the accusative. What escapes me is why the Latin Vulgate used the ablative (or is it dative?).
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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:12 pm
(July 30, 2023 at 2:04 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(July 30, 2023 at 1:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Not really. You need to learn from a real scholar what the hundreds of books of revelation were all about, and what's up with this one. 
Dr. Elaine Pagels, Princeton. A real scholar. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-reoYHKUw

Really? You think I should listen to an hour-and-a-half long video in a foreign language (English) without subtitles?

Well obviously, you're not competent to do anything yourself. 
And BTW, yes I do. Then get her books. 
She is accepted as the world expert on the subject. 
If you can't be bothered to do the work, ... then fuck off.
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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:12 pm
The answer is 43.
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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:27 pm
(July 30, 2023 at 1:36 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(July 30, 2023 at 1:27 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: There aren't enough ancient Greeks in Texas for me to bother to master the language.

You don't learn Ancient Greek so that you could speak it with somebody. You learn it so you can study the Bible in its original language. You want to disprove Christianity, right? Well, you probably need to do some Bible study to do that.

All you need to do is learn some basic history to do that.
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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:33 pm
(July 30, 2023 at 2:08 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(July 30, 2023 at 2:07 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Studying the Bible isn't necessary to disprove Christianity?

Don't you have homework to do?

Well, no, not really. In September, there will be a written exam in cybernetics which I might attend, so there is a slight pressure on me to study cybernetics. But I find low-level Biblical criticism to be much more interesting.
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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:37 pm
(July 30, 2023 at 2:07 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(July 30, 2023 at 1:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You really don’t. It helps, but it isn’t necessary.

Boru

Studying the Bible isn't necessary to disprove Christianity?

No, it isn't. Christianity can be disproved logically and historically from just its basic premises. It happens on this forum all the time. Reading the Bible is a great help, but deep study isn't required. Similar to how one doesn't need a degree in physics to show that rocks don't fall upwards.

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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:38 pm
(July 30, 2023 at 2:33 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(July 30, 2023 at 2:08 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Don't you have homework to do?

Well, no, not really. In September, there will be a written exam in cybernetics which I might attend, so there is a slight pressure on me to study cybernetics. But I find low-level Biblical criticism to be much more interesting.

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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:39 pm
(July 30, 2023 at 2:04 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(July 30, 2023 at 1:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Not really. You need to learn from a real scholar what the hundreds of books of revelation were all about, and what's up with this one. 
Dr. Elaine Pagels, Princeton. A real scholar. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-reoYHKUw

Really? You think I should listen to an hour-and-a-half long video in a foreign language (English) without subtitles?

Why not? You frequently post links to stuff you've written in Croatian without a translation. You think everyone on this forum should learn Croatian?

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RE: Revelation 20:4
July 30, 2023 at 2:46 pm
(July 30, 2023 at 2:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(July 30, 2023 at 2:04 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Really? You think I should listen to an hour-and-a-half long video in a foreign language (English) without subtitles?

Why not? You frequently post links to stuff you've written in Croatian without a translation. You think everyone on this forum should learn Croatian?

Boru

It's not the same thing to link to something written in a foreign language and to link to something spoken in a foreign language.
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