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2024 US Presidential Election
RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
Lara Trump responds to being called 'stupid':





Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
A question I wish to ask: What Trump did with Stormy Daniels, wouldn't that be similar to what Bill, as in Bill Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky?

Don't get me wrong, I know what Bill did happened while he was still in office while Trump did what he did in a presidential election, though another difference I should note is that Trump put a lot of effort in covering what he did up compared to what Bill did to cover his situation up, maybe.

Still, despite the differences, both of those people did commit adultery. Even more so, Trump was trying to cover it up as I said to win the election he was in. and on that note, for whatever reason; Bill did not end up getting impeached, while Trump has gotten in trouble for trying to cover it up. I don't know about you all, but given the two people who committed adultery here, I think how Trump handled the situations around his case, even though he was not yet president, makes him worse than Bill in this regard.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(April 30, 2024 at 6:25 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: A question I wish to ask: What Trump did with Stormy Daniels, wouldn't that be similar to what Bill, as in Bill Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky?

Don't get me wrong, I know what Bill did happened while he was still in office while Trump did what he did in a presidential election, though another difference I should note is that Trump put a lot of effort in covering what he did up compared to what Bill did to cover his situation up, maybe.

Still, despite the differences, both of those people did commit adultery. Even more so, Trump was trying to cover it up as I said to win the election he was in. and on that note, for whatever reason; Bill did not end up getting impeached, while Trump has gotten in trouble for trying to cover it up. I don't know about you all, but given the two people who committed adultery here, I think how Trump handled the situations around his case, even though he was not yet president, makes him worse than Bill in this regard.

No, not similar at all. It’s not illegal to have an affair. It’s not even illegal to pay hush money to keep the affair quiet. Trump allegedly falsified business records in an attempt to hide a payment he made to keep Daniels from releasing information that might have hurt him in the election - that’s the illegal bit. Clinton, on the other hand, had an affair while already in office, so there was no question of election interference. 

Clinton was impeached over his affair and lying about it.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(April 30, 2024 at 6:25 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: A question I wish to ask: What Trump did with Stormy Daniels, wouldn't that be similar to what Bill, as in Bill Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky?

Don't get me wrong, I know what Bill did happened while he was still in office while Trump did what he did in a presidential election, though another difference I should note is that Trump put a lot of effort in covering what he did up compared to what Bill did to cover his situation up, maybe.

Still, despite the differences, both of those people did commit adultery. Even more so, Trump was trying to cover it up as I said to win the election he was in. and on that note, for whatever reason; Bill did not end up getting impeached, while Trump has gotten in trouble for trying to cover it up. I don't know about you all, but given the two people who committed adultery here, I think how Trump handled the situations around his case, even though he was not yet president, makes him worse than Bill in this regard.

1) Bill did get impeached. He wasn't tried for adultery; he was tried for lying to Congress. He wasn't found guilty.

2) Trump is on trial not for adultery, but for lying about expenditures on tax returns in order to affect an election.

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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(April 30, 2024 at 6:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(April 30, 2024 at 6:25 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: A question I wish to ask: What Trump did with Stormy Daniels, wouldn't that be similar to what Bill, as in Bill Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky?

Don't get me wrong, I know what Bill did happened while he was still in office while Trump did what he did in a presidential election, though another difference I should note is that Trump put a lot of effort in covering what he did up compared to what Bill did to cover his situation up, maybe.

Still, despite the differences, both of those people did commit adultery. Even more so, Trump was trying to cover it up as I said to win the election he was in. and on that note, for whatever reason; Bill did not end up getting impeached, while Trump has gotten in trouble for trying to cover it up. I don't know about you all, but given the two people who committed adultery here, I think how Trump handled the situations around his case, even though he was not yet president, makes him worse than Bill in this regard.

No, not similar at all. It’s not illegal to have an affair. It’s not even illegal to pay hush money to keep the affair quiet. Trump allegedly falsified business records in an attempt to hide a payment he made to keep Daniels from releasing information that might have hurt him in the election - that’s the illegal bit. Clinton, on the other hand, had an affair while already in office, so there was no question of election interference. 

Clinton was impeached over his affair and lying about it.

Boru

Affair, you say?

It may be no different in being legal, but I was talking about adultery, not just the affair part, and even if I am wrong on this, I did not say something about it being legal or illegal. Anyway, I was just talking about the adultery part, and I am sure I did say some of the differences between the two, and I can imagine the two situation still have a lot in differences. While I may have been wrong on Clinton not being impeached, I am not sure if he was ever kicked out of office before 2000. (what happened there, anyway?) Still, I was not directly talking about election interference.

But no matter how different those two situations may be different in plenty a ways, I am sure what they did was adultery.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(April 30, 2024 at 6:43 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(April 30, 2024 at 6:25 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: A question I wish to ask: What Trump did with Stormy Daniels, wouldn't that be similar to what Bill, as in Bill Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky?

Don't get me wrong, I know what Bill did happened while he was still in office while Trump did what he did in a presidential election, though another difference I should note is that Trump put a lot of effort in covering what he did up compared to what Bill did to cover his situation up, maybe.

Still, despite the differences, both of those people did commit adultery. Even more so, Trump was trying to cover it up as I said to win the election he was in. and on that note, for whatever reason; Bill did not end up getting impeached, while Trump has gotten in trouble for trying to cover it up. I don't know about you all, but given the two people who committed adultery here, I think how Trump handled the situations around his case, even though he was not yet president, makes him worse than Bill in this regard.

1) Bill did get impeached. He wasn't tried for adultery; he was tried for lying to Congress. He wasn't found guilty.

2) Trump is on trial not for adultery, but for lying about expenditures on tax returns in order to affect an election.

I will admit, I was wrong on the impeached thing. I also did know that he did not seem to get kicked out of office by memory, so I might have confused the two.

Say, when did I say he was on trial for adultery? I ask because I thought I did not say anything like that.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(April 30, 2024 at 6:47 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote:
(April 30, 2024 at 6:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No, not similar at all. It’s not illegal to have an affair. It’s not even illegal to pay hush money to keep the affair quiet. Trump allegedly falsified business records in an attempt to hide a payment he made to keep Daniels from releasing information that might have hurt him in the election - that’s the illegal bit. Clinton, on the other hand, had an affair while already in office, so there was no question of election interference. 

Clinton was impeached over his affair and lying about it.

Boru

Affair, you say?

It may be no different in being legal, but I was talking about adultery, not just the affair part, and even if I am wrong on this, I did not say something about it being legal or illegal. Anyway, I was just talking about the adultery part, and I am sure I did say some of the differences between the two, and I can imagine the two situation still have a lot in differences. While I may have been wrong on Clinton not being impeached, I am not sure if he was ever kicked out of office before 2000. (what happened there, anyway?) Still, I was not directly talking about election interference.

But no matter how different those two situations may be different in plenty a ways, I am sure what they did was adultery.

Impeachment and being kicked out of office are two different things. Impeachment is when the House decides if the President should face trial in the Senate - the House functions sort of like a grand jury. Clinton was (for want of a better term) indicted by the House of Representatives. He was acquitted by the Senate.

You didn’t say that anyone was tried for adultery, nor did I say you said that.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(April 30, 2024 at 6:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(April 30, 2024 at 6:47 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Affair, you say?

It may be no different in being legal, but I was talking about adultery, not just the affair part, and even if I am wrong on this, I did not say something about it being legal or illegal. Anyway, I was just talking about the adultery part, and I am sure I did say some of the differences between the two, and I can imagine the two situation still have a lot in differences. While I may have been wrong on Clinton not being impeached, I am not sure if he was ever kicked out of office before 2000. (what happened there, anyway?) Still, I was not directly talking about election interference.

But no matter how different those two situations may be different in plenty a ways, I am sure what they did was adultery.

Impeachment and being kicked out of office are two different things. Impeachment is when the House decides if the President should face trial in the Senate - the House functions sort of like a grand jury. Clinton was (for want of a better term) indicted by the House of Representatives. He was acquitted by the Senate.

Boru

Well, forgive me. It was a long time ago since I last heard about it, and I probably should mention I was a kid who was not into politics back then.

We all get mixed up sometimes, do we?
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(April 30, 2024 at 6:49 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Say, when did I say he was on trial for adultery? I ask because I thought I did not say anything like that.

You didn't. But you did in fact bring it up as a point of comparison between both the Presidents, so addressing was in my mind perfectly appropriate. It is, after all, a spin Trumpsters put on it, that he's being tried for adultery, just as Dems did in 1998.

Do not lap up the spin.

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(April 30, 2024 at 7:17 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(April 30, 2024 at 6:49 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Say, when did I say he was on trial for adultery? I ask because I thought I did not say anything like that.

You didn't. But you did in fact bring it up as a point of comparison between both the Presidents, so addressing was in my mind perfectly appropriate. It is, after all, a spin Trunpsters put on it, that he's being tried for adultery, just as Dems did in 1998.

Do not lap up the spin.

I hope you didn't mind bringing this up. I just wanted to make an observation. It was a minor, little observation, honestly, but something I thought I'd bring up.

I did have one more comparison to make, BUT...based on the last posts I read and the fact that the similarity is just probably too small to count, I won't bring it up...not unless, any few people want me to.
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