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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 10:52 pm
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Yeah, IDK if you could easily draw an equivalence between yourself and Einstein, Heisenberg, or Dirac here. You think the argument is unsound. I agree, but this isn't/hasn't been enough to satisfy you. You have to declare it invalid, which..if it is, it's not in any obvious way. So..if you want to make the comparison stick. Give me some einstein/heisenberg/dirac level insights of formal propositions? It's okay to disagree with a good argument. Better, imo, than wasting your time disgreeing with shitty ones....which is what we end up doing, for the most part..here, sadly. I just want a better class of criminal, is that too much to ask? 
I feel like we're excluding our new friend Barry, so I've got one for him whenever he comes back round. I believe that every strong theistic utterance is the preamble to a crime. Change my mind.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 11:04 pm
Quote:If we didn’t have free will, we would be robots
Cheers Barry
That's doesn't address my point
"Change was inevitable"
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 11:06 pm
Quote:It doesn’t matter what you call God, but I’ve given the evidence, what’s your story to refute it. Sarcasm is fun but not useful.
Cheers Barry
No you did not 
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 11:08 pm
Quote:Bball, it’s always lovely to hear from you.
I suppose I see no other rational option. Jesus Christ certainly influenced me.
If you come up with better evidence for our world existing I’ll ready to learn.
God loves you,
Barry
Argument from ignorance any lack of an explanation does not equal therefore god (god isn't an explanation it's a stop-gap for ignorance)
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 11:12 pm
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Quote:Hi Bucky, you should be renamed Tricky. I’m agreeing to Yahweh. But back to a real question. I’ve offered the Universe as evidence for God. Instead of coming up with a red herring, how do you think the Universe began. Walt Disney?
No, you have not offered evidence you made an assertion and then an argument from ignorance
Quote:It’s easy to say that theists have the burden of proof. And then ignore the obvious proof. That’s very weak.
No one ignored any proof you offered none. Assertions are not proof and arguments from ignorance are not proof.
Quote:I’ve shown my hand. Show yours or fold.
God loves you
Barry
No, you have not you have only made assertions and arguments from ignorance.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 11:17 pm
Quote:Hi Gubu
It’s profound evidence.
No, it's not
Quote:It’s how we define God.
I don't care how you define god. That's not evidence of god
Quote:Prove how the universe exists without a divine creator.
Don't need to you need to prove that it requires one and show that one exists
Quote:Did it just happen? Is that rational?
Whether it did or not is irrelevant to you providing positive evidence of god
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 11:19 pm
Quote:Hi Raven,
God is not “mine”. God is.
What could be greater evidence that the universe coming into existence from nothing. How can you ignore that?
Cheers. Barry
Once again whether or not the universe "Came into existence from nothing or not " you have not established evidence of god you have simply attempted to define him into existence or again engage in an argument from ignorance.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 11:28 pm
So let's sum up
1. pointing to the universe is not evidence of a god that's simply an assertion
2. You can't just define god into existence
3. The atheist has no burden of proof
4. The atheist is not required to have an alternative as not having one doesn't make the theists claim true
5. Simply asserting "can't come from nothing " is not evidence of god
I think that covers it.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 11:29 pm
(August 20, 2023 at 8:23 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (August 20, 2023 at 8:10 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: So then, you're agreeing a deity from the Babylonian pantheon created the universe.
Who created the hot dense material that banged, and then tell us how long it existed (if indeed space-time existed yet), and the tell us how you know what you claim you know.
Goodness. 19 guests. I b'lieve we have the Freshman Apologetics Class from Biola here.
You poor fools. Ask for your tuition back. LMAO
Barry, were you not just criticizing someone for their English ?
"I'll ready to learn" is worse than an incorrect possessive.
Bucky, a careless mistake is not the same as an ignorant one. I’m waging an international campaign against superfluous incorrect apostrophe’s. Join me.
Imagine how much s’pace on the www it will ‘save.
Cheer’s ‘ B’arr’y
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 20, 2023 at 11:32 pm
(August 20, 2023 at 8:49 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (August 20, 2023 at 8:24 pm)Barry Wrote: Hi O Grand one,
Great advice. I’m trying to work on my own knowledge. I was just driving 3 grandkids to school and on the way to picking them up and after dropping them off I was listening to a 23 hour audio book on Catholic Apologetics. Just started it. And I’m also watching a 7 hour video series on the existence of god.
Chatting in this forum is actually helping me focus on the issues being discussed in these programs I’m studying.
Cheers Barry
We knew you were a beginner.
Now there are 34 guests, what is this, a fucking motel ?
BBall
We all have to begin somewhere, like the Universe when god created it.
God loves you Barry
PS if I’m so pathetic, just ignore me. But I’ll miss you.
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