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Atheism and Ethics
RE: Atheism and Ethics
(August 1, 2024 at 10:00 am)Disagreeable Wrote:
(July 28, 2024 at 4:27 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: In a very boring and completely non novel way.

How would you respond to a Divine Command Theorist who says that God could mass kill a whole bunch of humans and it wouldn't be morally wrong because what's morally right is whatever God wills? How would you argue for your own definition of moral goodness?

The same way I'd respond to any other rando who claims that their commanding a thing is the morality-making property.  When I talk about morality I'm talking about right and wrong, good and bad, help and harm - not who said what.

At the end of the day, if a person is a genuine subjectivist or emotivist, as that claim would entail..then the objective properties of a given x and rational argumentation from demonstrable facts aren't relevant to them in the first place.
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
(August 1, 2024 at 11:14 am)Sheldon Wrote:
(August 1, 2024 at 10:00 am)Disagreeable Wrote: How would you respond to a Divine Command Theorist who says that God could mass kill a whole bunch of humans and it wouldn't be morally wrong because what's morally right is whatever God wills? How would you argue for your own definition of moral goodness?
If the morality of his concept of a deity, falls short of the morality of an evolved ape, why would I care what he claims that deity thinks or wants. That's assuming he could demonstrate in any objective way that this deity exists of course, if he can't then he might as well be describing the moral views of villain from a comic book.

My own answer is that it seems to me that morality is about harm and if God kills a bunch of humans then that is harmful so that is wrong.
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.

Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.

Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;

What is good is easy to get,

What is terrible is easy to endure
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
There are facts about which actions are harmful. The question is, is that morality?
I think yes.
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.

Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.

Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;

What is good is easy to get,

What is terrible is easy to endure
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